Let's assume the news is true, and the Wolves are indeed, as is being reported by ESPN and other outlets, trading Mark Blount and Ricky Davis to the Heat for Antoine Walker, Michael Doleac, Wayne Simien and, perhaps most importantly, at least one future draft pick. This is a classic addition by subtraction deal. I have been arguing for Mark Blount to be renounced since the Garnett trade. He laid down like a dog after the all star break last season as blatantly as any human being in a Timberwolves uniform ever laid down. The emergence of Theo Ratliff as a viable force in the middle, the ability of Jefferson to slide over to center, and now the arrival of Doleac, a classic banger with a midrange J (who should ease the fear of unloading Juwan Howard if McHale isn't done trading), made Blount irrelevant as a niche talent as well as dislikeable for his anti-industry.
Ricky Davis likewise has issues, thoroughly discussed here and elsewhere on numerous occasions. He has a marvelous and multifaceted set of skills, and Miami is a good place for him to go, what with Shaq and Wade as the abiding 1-2 punch and a taskmaster like Pat Riley patrolling the sidelines. I suspect that trio plus Ricky's impending contract expiration will give the Heat an invaluable, utilitarian third wheel. But in Minnesota, Pretty Ricky was destined to either be unhappy with his playing time or totally retard the team's rebuilding efforts by hogging minutes and turning on the talent spigot whenever he felt like it, which has been about 60-70 percent of the time the past two seasons; just enough to engender a little faith and then dash it away.
Put simply, good riddance to a pair that had about a 99 percent chance of hurting rather than helping the long-term prospects for this franchise had they stayed.
The additions and the current situation are less exciting. To lose Blount, the Wolves essentially had to obtain Antoine Walker. I don't know who is accurate here, but Shamsports.com has Blount and Walker both with contracts with team options for 2009-10, with Walker getting about $2 million more per season than Blount's bloated deal. In his espn.com report on the rumored trade, Marc Stein claims that Walker has one year less if the option isn't picked up. Walker is obviously more talented. While the salary situation is comparable to Blount, the personality issues are akin to Davis, in that when he's Walker wants to play, he can be a generous and synergistic teammate--he was a key cog on Miami's championship team throughout the postseason two years ago, and was a worthy complement to Paul Pierce for a few years of overachievement in Boston. But when 'Toine doesn't feel like playing D, he can sabotage rotations with disarming rapidity. And when he decides he's going to launch anywhere from 6 to 10 treys in an evening, he can short-circuit an offense like nobody's business. He also isn't going to be doing jumping jacks over the notion of moving from glitzy Miami from a legit contender to the frozen tundra to nurture the nascent Wolves for the next two years. In other words, the Wolves may have traded two sure-fire problems for another, slightly more expensive, problem.
The other two guys in the trade, Michael Doleac and Wayne Simien, are bangers, pure and simple, fulfilling Kevin McHale's smashmouth recipe with copious amounts of elbow grease. How many 6-9, 260 pound guys does it take to box out the Western Hemisphere? McHale is trying to answer that question. On the plus side, the contracts of Doleac and Simien are both up at the end of this year (Simien has a team option).
Last, but certainly not least, the draft pick, or picks, is crucial here. Even if Miami finishes well enough to make it up toward the end of the first round, it will ease the sting of the inevitable year Minnesota must fork over their own pick to complete the Cassell-for-Jaric trade.
Final thoughts on this first take: Miami has entered the arms race for the Eastern Crown. Davis is both insurance for Wade, who is iffy physically, and a potentially potent part of the future in Florida, provided he can keep his head screwed on straight. If he contributes big, he can command a pretty nice deal at the end of the season, and Miami, who are already committed to $35 million for Shaq and Wade alone over the next two years, will pay it to keep the contention going.
Meanwhile, this deal isn't as much of a salary cap breather for Minnesota as you might expect--none actually, if you consider that Walker and Blount are a wash, and ditto RD versus Doleac and Simien.
Finally, all this talk about a 2-for-1 trade to shed contracts wound up being a 2-for-3 trade that adds more bodies. Are more trades on the horizon (like Howard)? It would be nice to see this squad flip some of their extra pieces to Atlanta for one of the Hawks' caddies for Acie Law, either Speedy Claxton or Tyrone Lue. If that doesn't happen, well, would this squad renounce Antoine Walker? Because he's the new contract albatross (nudging out Marko Jaric) on the roster now. I don't think the other shoe has dropped yet.


Still waiting for that apology on the Walker hate.
I'm with you David - the pistol-whippings are one of my favorite parts, because they are almost always well deserved. :-) Besides, someone has to be sheriff to keep out the riff-raff and motivate a higher level of commentary.
'Toine is probably on his way elsewhere but from what I've read and heard he is not the bad influence that Davis and Blount are, in fact a number of teammates praise his social skills and leadership. But he lacks self-control...at the buffet and at the 3 point line.
All around nice move by the Front Office. Excited to see what they have next. And I strongly agree that "Is Foye the PG?" is the question of the year for the Wolves. I hope they do bring aboard a solid back-up to help with the mentoring.
Although it was only preseason, it was nice to see KG get a triple double. He'll probably return to getting those regularly now that he's playing with people who can catch a pass and score with it.
It actually reminded me of the days with young Garnett where there seemed to be a plan. There was usually 1 or 2 good veteran influences in the locker room (I'm thinking Sam Mitchell and Terry Porter) along with various functional pieces. Maybe the Wolves can do that again. It would require Howard stay for that influence, because quite suddenly we're down to just Telfair and Walker as potential bad influences.
If the Wolves are going to take a run at a disgruntled star, it should be AK-47, not Kobe. Imagine what kind of defense could you run with Jefferson, Kirilenko, Brewer, Foye and Ratliff as your starting lineup?
Not that I think it has any chance of happening, but Walker+Jaric for Kirilenko would work on a salary basis once Walker is eligible to be traded again. Or Jaric+Juwan if Utah refused on Walker or insisted on a shorter contract to go with Jaric's.
Kobe? Really? Why wouldn't they have thrown every young piece they had at him when they still had KG? Why would they trade one win-now superstar for another one? And that's ignoring the fact that Kobe would probably rather retire than play in MN. Fun to think about, but doesn't make any sense.
My chat with Ryan Gomes before Tuesday's game against Indiana...
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=5788
Andy B. First thing I gotta say, you trippin' if you think Kobe's gonna come here. He's got a no-trade clause, and is not going to our youngster-loaded squad. But if his ego is what's reported, there's nothing he'd like more than to turn around what is projected to be the worst team in the NBA this year...
Second thing I gotta say, that would be too perfect (assuming we dumped all SGs/SFs), but the pieces we would give up makes us worthless. First off, Theo is included in the deal no matter what, due to contract. And I can't see Walker wanting to be the star in LA. Jaric would help the triangle. Foye and Brewer and Smith are also probably gone in the deal, in addition to picks. While I trust Gomes for 30+ mins at SF, we're still painfully lacking a PG as well as C - positions that killed us well before the KG deal.
I like the outside-the-box thinking, but I don't think Kobe would look good in a winter coat, either. Kobe would only OK the trade if he has an opt-out next year if things don't come together - anyone know if he does?
I've read that Simien may not report. Does anyone know anything about this story?
We need a contest for Britt's best pistol-whipping of a commenter in '07-'08. I mean, the guy gets to approve the comments, then whacks guys for being stupid.
Surely, I'm not alone in considering this one of my favorite aspects of this blog. At least until it's me.
I liked Shawn's rebuttal of 1999. I don't feel stats tell much of the story, but having watched Walker throw up his no chance heaves from beyond the arc, they tell the most important part of the story.
I agree with Dan's points about Walker vs Blount. Walker is much more tradeable than Blount, and that could be the real advantage of this deal. I never imagined Davis was attractive enough to include Blount.
In all honesty, one of the big reasons I was so completely down on the KG trade was that I thought we were going to be stuck with big contracts anyway. I thought it would be nice if one of them could play. The team will be unpleasant next year, but I'm hoping with one of the PGs in the draft next year, we might be bearable after just one horrible season (not counting the last three).
Andy B,
Absolutely shocking, amazingly creative. I hadn't even thought of that. I don't see the Lakers doing the trade without getting a star in return. I don't like Kobe the man, but damn, he's fun to watch play basketball. Unbelievable individual talent.
Regarding Mchale: I've said this before on this forum, but I think McHale is actually pretty good at building a team from scratch.
Do not forget that he did a great job in his first 3 or 4 years as wolves GM. Sure he was lucky to get KG, but he was able to make some nice trades to rid the team of players like Rider and Laetner and pick up solid vets like Terry Porter and Sam Mitchell to keep around the young players. If only Marbury was a normal human being the Wolves would have a had a great time for many years.
Where McHale screwed up is that once Marbury through a wrench into his plans he panicked, forget the plan and desperately tried to cobble pieces together. It never worked. [It didn't help that him and Glen did illegal stuff as well]
I'm not surprised that McHale is doing a good job of starting from scratch. Once he has laid a solid foundation, however, I hope he retires. He's not very good at "tweaking."
Andy B- personally, I have no interest in Kobe. He might be one of the most talented in the game
today , however, he is a selfish cancer. He would merely be a more talented version of Davis.
On that note, I am excited about the trade. The club needed to bottom out, and I think Brewer and Jefferson will be solid building blocks for the future.
Technically, the only expiring contract we have for LA would be Ratliff, I believe. I mention Howard and Walker because I think they have less years guaranteed remaining on their contracts than Kobe. My suggestion has many holes and knowing all the cap space, and financial implications is beyond my comprehension. But, I do think McHale has managed to stockpile some things LA may want in return for Kobe. The question would be whether or not Kobe would ever in a million years accept a trade here.
Kobe would never consent to coming here. I believe he is the only NBA player with a full no-trade clause in his contract.
Regarding the other shoe that is about to drop and the trade that Mchale may have in the works.
What about Kobe in LA. As with Iverson and KG, a trade for Kobe would require draft picks and expiring contracts. Mchale suddenly finds himself in possession of these assets. I can't imagine Kobe wanting to come here. And it probably is a crazy-ass thought anyway, but here goes.
What could we give them in return? Expiring contracts - There is Walker, Ratliff, and Howard. Draft picks, well, we could give them from 1 to 3 first round picks. Young stars? take your pick with the exception of Jefferson, say...Green, Brewer and/or Smith. Jaric might also be a good one to throw in the trade, because Jackson might find a use for him in the triangle offense
So, we got some combination of the above. Then we have to have something to build around Kobe. Jefferson and Gomes are a start. We need a few other young guys too and Foye might not be the best guy to run the PG spot if Kobe desires a championship. But, Kobe and Jefferson might be a pretty capable pair right there. Fill out the rest of the team with whose left after the trade from Gomes, Brewer, McCants, Howard, Ratliff, Foye, Simiene, Doleac, Walker, Telfair, Smith... You only need about 6 competent bodies to put next to Kobe and Al and if either Foye or Brewer is still left you might have the components to build a team that competes in the West and even convince Kobe we might win a championship in a year or two.
Perhaps....?
I know, its nuts and almost not worth bringing up, but who would've ever that Mchale would have pulled off a trade that sent Davis and Blount away while getting a draft pick in the deal as well. Perhaps, Mchale has regained some of that leprechaun luck or even obtained a Midas touch. Hes made some bold moves and why stop now?
Britt - Great column, this is the right move for both teams. I laughed when you said "the Wolves may have traded two sure-fire problems for another, slightly more expensive, problem."
No one seems to be doubting that Antoine is extremely talented, but you're exactly right when you say that if he doesn't have the motivation to get in shape for a contending team, what kind of attitude will he have on a team that's undergoing one of the biggest rebuilding processes since the 98-99 Bulls? I dunno how the fast food here compares to South Beach, but it's probably going to take a lot of Culver's for him to not be a problem.
As far as trading away some of our spare parts, some sort of Marko for Eric Snow deal would be ideal in my mind. Whether Cleveland would do it is another matter.
Keep up the good work!
Last year Walker shot FG% 0.397, 3P% 0.275, FT% 0.438
He could infect the entire team with some virulent form of brickitus.
I'd love to see him bought out, but I doubt they do it since they just bought out Hudson. Also, I wonder if the amount would need to be spread over all four years. Not sure how the CBA handles buyouts of contracts with team options. I'm sure the team would like to avoid any money going past summer of 09 when they may have some cap room.
Still, getting the pick, opening up time for the young SGs and SFs, getting two bad influences off the roster, and slightly improving their salary situation seems like a solid move.
One last thing,
Theo would have been an ideal center to stick next to Garnet for all those years, rather than having the Rasho's, Blounts, and Paul Grant's' of the world act as KG's back up.
I don't love the deal, but I like it a lot. I thought Davis was worth a first rounder, and I don't mind the throw-ins. I am interested to see what Simien has. He's young, and a former first round pick who has spent most of his career in the trainers room. I don't know much of his game, but I like the move because it stockpiles more young (potential) talent.
I also like the Walker move because, other than the shorter contract, he is more tradeable than Mark Blount. Who knows, maybe a team in a crunch might take a chance on a faded star such as Walker. If the deal would not have included the Blount for Walker swap I don't know how high I would have been on it.
Overall I was happy to see both go. I think this move was also a shrewd move on the part of the Heat. Davis is a nice improvement over anything they had last year. I think he has the potential to be a nice third wheel.
Chad Hartman had a good bit today about how todays deal relates back to the Davis/Wally trade and how that relates back to the Marbury/Brandon deal. It is on the Kfan website.
Now lets just hope we can deal Walker.
Hey 1999--
I'd take you more seriously if you actually read what I wrote. I explicitly acknowledged Walker's contribution to the Heat's ring, as well as his role as Pierce's teammate during the Celtic playoff appearances. As for him being a "great leader," why did Miami beg Minnesota to take him? Why was Pat Riley so down on his conditioning?
You assume I and the people who come here haven't seen Walker play in years. I daresay your ignorance of hoop intelligence among the readers here is exponentially greater than the readers' ignorance of Walker.
If you're going to stop by, here's a clue: You get respect with specifics and a demonstrated knowledge of the game. Your post fails on both counts. I get it you like Walker. But I have no idea why except that he was a "key member" 18 months ago. Gee, thanks for the education.
Walker is not trash. He was a key member in the title they won.
Walker is a lot better then you give him credit for but that is because like most you haven't actually watched Walker play in years.
Walker is a great leader and teammate but I hope Minny buys him out because he deserves better then playing there
Oops - totally forgot my final thought/fantasy on potential Walker trades: the obvious trade answer is Houston. Their roster is even larger than ours, loaded with PGs, and Walker could be a piece to their puzzle the same way he was for Miami. We'd probably have to throw in whatever cash we got from the Heat deal to cover his salary, and we'd have to swallow a bunch of guaranteed deals. Houston has always had problems at the PF spot, and playing Yao, McGrady, Battier, and Walker would create mismatches for other teams without having to rely on their rookie PF Scola for too much production.
Their "big" pieces (contracts) are Mike James, Bobby Sura (I don't think he can play again), and Rafer Alston. Add to that John Lucas (likely cut from their roster anyway), Justin Reed, Kirk Snyder, Luther Head, or Jackie Butler, and you've got yourself a deal. Plenty of combos work, though in terms of helping Foye, nobody on Houston makes much sense. I think Claxton or Lue would help, but I don't see us making a deal for anyone on ATL - they have a very similar roster to us and are even less willing to take on big contracts. I will go out on a limb and say that Acie Law / Horford make ATL a playoff contender, and I wish we had been able to somehow snag Law this year.
McHale's and Wittman's take on today's trade from the Timberwolves' web site:
http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/news/wittman_and_mchale_on_the_trade_102...
Britt - If I go out four decimal points, it looks like OT starts to have an impact on my numbers. Stay tuned.
I think I'd almost rather have Cleaves than Claxton or Lue, since I consider him more of a "run the offense" type PG than either of the other two, so if the goal is to teach Foye how to do that, it would seem to make more sense to get someone like him. I also think he'd be more likely to go along with the mentor/backup role on a rebuilding team than Claxton or Lue as well.
And given how injury-prone Claxton and Lue have been lately, it doesn't seem to make much sense to bring in one of them if he's going to spend all of his time on the bench in a suit.
McHale said that they are working on other trades at the moment, as a follow-up to this trade. As we stand at this point in time, here are my thoughts about trying to get down to 15 players from the 18 we've got right now:
- Edwards is 100% guaranteed cut (obviously.)
- If we can't trade Walker, hopefully he is bought out. He's only got two years left (last two years are team or player options, so obviously we wouldn't pick them up.) Walker makes $17M over the next two years... maybe we could buy him out for $14M or so? That would be nice.
- I could see Doleac getting bought out. He's a $3M expiring contract. That wouldn't be a huge loss or cost. I think he could be a servicable center though.
- I kinda hope they keep Simien. He's young, cheap, and a big body. Also, if he doesn't pan out he's in the last year of a rookie deal so they can just let him expire. If they need to cut or buy someone out, he's probably an option.
- Richard is obviously going to the D-League... at least to start the season.
- Since only 12 guys can be active every game, three guys will need to be either in the D-League or inactive. Brewer/Foye/Smith will NOT go to the D-League. Richard is the only other candidate.
We definitely still need a PG. Preferably a veteran "mentor" type (as I said this summer.) I also agree with Britt that I have a feeling Howard will be gone before the season starts. Good to see this trade go down. I'm stoked. A very good deal for McHale... which I'm shocked to say.
P.S. Good to see Gomes get some love in your last column Britt. I've been high on him for a reason ;-)
This is a trade that makes sense for everyone. Given this is Ricky's contract year I expect him to have a fantastic season in Miami, and they desperately needed another option on offense, especially given Wade's health problems. My guess is anyone mentioning Ricky Davis (who has one of the best talent/$ contracts in the NBA) was told to get Ricky, they had to take Blount. To get rid of both of these cancerous locker room guys and score a first rounder out of the deal is fantastic.
I also think McHale's "banger" strategy couldn't come at a better time. It's said in poker, when everyone at your table is playing tight, you should play loose, and vice versa. I think the strategy of going with a bunch of guys who bang, while the rest of the league goes small, could be an intelligent strategy.
I don't have to watch Blount in a Timberwolves jersey ever again. This makes me very happy.
Glory to McHale!!!
Ostrich, you did it. You made a good trade. Well, I'm assuming it was you. You unloaded Mark Blount's contract. Sure you picked up Toine, but he has one less guaranteed year on his deal and is tradeable.
I've only pinched myself like twenty times, each time expecting to wake up.
Ricky, nice knowing ya. He's a sandwich short of a picnic, if you know what I mean. And he won't be around to hog precious minutes or interfere with the chemistry and development of this young team.
And a 1st round pick!!!!! I never thought I'd see the day McHale would actually receive a 1st round pick in a trade. Has that only happened once before, when we traded Marbury?
Can we start a pool on when Shaq snaps and takes a swing at Blount? I say mid-February, and I hope to see it on youtube.
Great stuff you guys. I know I said a few weeks back that it's great if you can bring something other than your opinions to the table, but that was because it was the dog days of the summer and the off-season and things weren't likely to change. Now that there is some dynamism at play, both with trades and the upcoming season, I want to hear your informed take. The value-added commenters who dig stuff up, like AK and Anto, only make it better, of course. I'd like to tweak AK by pointing out he left overtime minutes off his calculations, but I think we all still get the gist of his point without them.
The Nets waived Mateen Cleaves today. That's a serviceable point guard to help Foye out. My favorite option remains Atlanta's Claxton or Lue, both pretty decent quality floor generals who simply lack the talent to be anything other than a backup for a contender, but have both logged a lot of NBA minutes with various personnel and could really help develop Foye.
In case you miss the less than subtle hints, developing Foye should be the top priority this season. This franchise needs to know whether he can truly guide an offense. Otherwise, it is Tavaris Jackson all over again--and yes, Foye is better than Jackson, but if he is overmatched by the demands of the position, the Wolves will never go higher than the lower rungs of the playoff seeds.
I'm not sure Glen Taylor will renounce Walker. And I still suspect, with absolutely no inside knowledge to back it up, that Juwan Howard will be gone before opening day.
Thanks to a slow day, I did a small touch of research, and found out that indeed, you may trade any single player (not a combination of players) immediately following a trade (click my name for the link, it's the first bullet point of #85).
Want to know what teams are getting calls from McHale right now (I hope!)? Here's a short list of guys I figured might be worth a shot and should work under cap rules (with years remaining after this season):
Kenny Thomas - 1
Darius Miles - 2
Willie Green + Kevin Ollie - (3 and 0)
D. Stoudamire + B. Cardinal - (1 and 2)
Kwame - 0
Troy Murphy - 3
Mike Dunleavy - 3
Mike James + Justin Reed (seriously works! 2 and 0)
Nazr Mohammed and Lindsay Hunter (oops, forgot this one)
Eric Snow - 2
Speedy Claxton + cap garbage (2 + 0)
So yeah, you could say I'm hoping for a buyout. CLE might be the only semi-legit option (thanks Dan Fegan!), but I think Walker might make them look desperate. Other Wolves-favorable deals (MEM, PHI, ATL) are with non-contending teams who don't need an out-of-shape 3pt-chucking PF.
Oh and Nate, there were reports of cash going our way in the early reports, but for some reason money-talks tend to vanish once a deal is finalized...
Note: I don't believe there is an IR in the NBA anymore. Just 15 roster spots with 12 active players each night.
None of the stories mention cash considerations in the deal. I was hoping Miami would send a few million to Glen in order to make the buyout of Walker an easier proposition. I think it will be easier to buy out Walker than it would have been to buy out Blount. IF Walker gets in shape, he will want to leave and a contender will want him (if they can get him under a new veterans contract for one year). Blount, not so attractive.
Hopefully there is another trade on the way.
Ricky Davis is gone. yes!
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3077037
Seems official now. Personally I hope for the Walker buyout option, but we'll have to see what happens.
As for point guard, I would almost want to see the Wolves trade Buckner (or a similar sized contract) to Philadelphia for Kevin Ollie. His contract is expiring, and he could certainly show Foye and Telfair how to run the point, even though he doesn't have anything left in the tank.
So, instead of spending the season toiling for a league doormat in Minnesota, our two malcontents end up being "punished" for their behavior by getting sent to a playoff contender in one of the most glamorous cities in the nation. Don't get me wrong, I like the trade and think it's the right thing for the Wolves; it's just funny how the world works sometimes.
Meanwhile, I don't think we're done with the wheeling and dealing here yet. I'd like to see Walker immediately flipped to someone else for a PG (the upside of the Foye and Telfair injuries is that our front office really has no choice but to get a competent point guard now....right?), but I suspect his contract is too unwieldy; so my second choice would be for him to be bought out as others have speculated--although after buying out Hudson, Glenn may be sick of spending money just to get rid of guys.
I agree Simien probably goes on IR; he and the draft pick were the real prizes of the deal. Well, the real *incoming* prizes--obviously the real prize was unloading Davis and Blount. I think the trade works out pretty well for Miami too, in the short run at least, since Davis is in an option year and has several bigger stars there to keep him in line.
I like it. A very aggressive and savvy move, especially from a "cleansing the locker room" standpoint. I can't think of any other teams with the personnel/desperation to make this Davis + Blount deal happen. If only Miami had another PG not named Smush Parker, we may have gotten J-Will for McCants + Howard thrown in as well, but I'm hoping we have something else up our sleeve for that spot.
And I read somewhere that Walker can be traded (but not "packaged") on the day of his physical. Did I read that here? Not sure who would want Walker anyway. Maybe some team pretending to placate a star or fans...do I hear a Kwame? Malik Rose? I don't think we can move Walker, but I don't see a role for him on this team, either. Unless we start winning games, then all bets are off.
The first-round pick will be huge, and Simien's health will likely continue to be an issue. I think Doleac is our 3rd option at C (behind Ratliff and AJ), and will make the roster. But I don't feel like we're done dealing...our roster situation is too crazy, right? I'm hoping after one more trade I'll have some latecomers to my 40-win bandwagon!
Oh, and I think we were called the T-pups back when we were in the expansion days...Tony Campbell and Doug West were our best players...but we really just traded 2 vets for 2 vets + some change, right?
I don't know if this nick-name has been batted around yet... but after the latest veteran dismissal, I am officially calling this team the "T-pups" for the remainder of the season. (I use the term hopefully.)
Has anyone mentioned the possibility of buying out Madsen's contract? Overpaid (but not too expensive) glue guy veteran with no role on a rebuilding team with three too many players. Why not buy him out and let him catch on as an end-of-the-bench guy for a team with a chance at the title?
By the way, I'd like to nominate Andy for back-handed compliment of the year: "This site ... is always good reading with a beer or two."
Just how much has the Minnesota Timberwolves' roster turned over? I crunched a few numbers to find out:
Players now on the roster logged just 30% of the total team minutes logged by the Wolves during last season. The flip side is that 70% of last season's PT has been shed since June 15 when James and Reed were traded.
In any organization, that kind of massive turnover would be enormous. In the context of the NBA, with the Collective Bargaining Agreement and the limitations and difficulties associated with making trades, this is nothing short of unbelievable.
The only playing time minutes left on this squad from the '04-'05 season are the 3% represented by Mark Madsen.
Here's the breakdown behind these figures for anyone who cares:
Player '04-05 '05-06 '06-07
Madsen 602 676 470
McCants 0 1362 555
Smith 0 0 1533
Foye 0 0 1878
Jaric 0 2102 1561
Total 602 4140 5997
82 X 48 X 5 = team minutes per season = 19680
04-05 602/19680 = 3% still on roster
05-06 4140/19680 = 21%
06-07 5997/19680 = 30%
Britt great blog.
My predicition: The wolves place Simien on IR immediately. They will cut John Edwards and take a look at what Doleac to see what he has in the tank. I think Doleac will be cut. So in a sense it is subtraction by addition because Simien is hurt for a while. Walker will definetly start talking buyout. If not, with him and Howard you have two veteran players that teams on the cusp of being conteders or playoffs(I'm thinking Charlotte mayber for Howard, since they are under the cap and just lost Sean May for the season) would be more then happy to aquire since by then both will have a year and a half left on their contract. Overall I like the move. Simien has talent, you get a first round pick, you get a contract that won't be much to buyout and proven vet who could be trade commodity by the trading deadline. There is no way Mark Blount would have been moved.
Wow. This is great news. I was really on the fence about viewing games this year with Blount and Davis on the roster. So....is anyone left from the big Wally/Davis trade on either side?? Davis/Blount/Reed/Banks are all gone as is Wally with the celtics. And we got back our draft pick from the Celtics in the KG trade correct?? Crazy stuff. I think they will try to buy out Antoine or can they trade him again to a contender? Or is there a amount of time we need to wait until we can trade him again?? Good call Britt on the PG situation. We really need a veteran that can settle the young guys down until Foye is ready to come back from nagging injuries and or Telfair actually proves he can play. I am actually excited about the season. Thats alot more than I could have said before the start of last season. This site will be great for TWolves talk all season and is always good reading with a beer or two.
I think it's also worth noting that Walker was called out by Riley last week for being out of shape. I don't think it's a good sign that he didn't show up ready to go for a team considered to be a contender. What's his effort level going to be here?
That said, I'd rather have Antoine Walker eating too much cap space (pun intended) than Mark "Sloth from 'Goonies'" Blount and his streaky jump-shooting and no interior-D ways.
Assuming this trade (as reported) happens, I like it.
Wow! Wow!
I'm not happy with taking back Wlaker, but if we get the draft pick...
Remember when we were giving them away. Now Mchale is stockpiling them. I want KG to win and Miami looks good on paper if everyone is healthy. I would never hope for an injury to great NBA players. But, but, Boston and Miami are on tenuous ground. An injury to one of the aging big three in Boston could spell disaster and the odds of Wade and Shaq getting through the regular season without a significant injury are not high. Just a couple of injuries and, suddenly the Wolves have three lottery picks next year. Who woulda thunk it?
WE have a lot of sorting out to do, but the future is bright in MN. Jefferson, Foye and Brewer and three first round picks next year (provided we do get one from Miami and we put off sending ours to the Clippers for another year) has to produce the two all stars we need along with a few role players. We also have Smith and Gomes to develop and perhaps Richards, Green and Telfair.
Walker, Doleac and Simien? Put them next to Howard, Buckner, Ratliff and Maddog. Let them run the floor a bit and then wave goodbye and hope for the best. There are a lot of ifs and possibilities, but Mchale seems to be stacking up the odds in our favor.
Miami's draft pick makes this deal. Davis and Blount are not going to allow them to go anywhere if Shaq and Wade cannot stay healthy.
Nice take Britt.
Walker has only 2 guaranteed years left on his deal compared to Blount's 3. I'd expect us to initiate buyout discussions with Walker immediately. Doleac could be bought out as well, that would probably be the easiest way for us to get down to 15 players. With Jefferson, Ratliff, Smith, Howard, Richard, and now Simien, we finally have a surplus of big men.
Looks like a future 1st rounder is also coming our way. Gravy.