Ever since the big Garnett trade went through I've been debating whether to throw up a KG appreciation, an assessment of the post-KG Wolves, or both. For the past 24 hours, any Garnett piece would have been a big, mushy valentine--it may still be, when I take a crack at it tomorrow or Friday. A look at the current status of the Wolves, however, is an exercise for the head instead of the heart, and has enough contrarian aspects to be worth the snap judgments, third-guessing, and speculation that comes from assessing, two months before training camp, a young, totally jumbled team that could and should still undergo significant personnel changes between now and opening day.
First of all, the next three or four years will either rescue or solidify Kevin McHale's current reputation as a dreadful personnel guru. There's plenty about McHale's tenure to bash and ridicule, and I've done my share. But even if you discount the bad luck and woe stemming from the Googs and Marbury petty jealousies, the Joe Smith fiasco, the Malik Sealy death, and the Sammy and Spree snit (little of which had much to do with McHale's lack of acumen, even the illegal Smith signing, which most Wolves insiders don't lay at McHale's feet), a fundamental problem with the Garnett-McHale tandem was their vast difference is philosophical styles. As a player and then GM, McHale sees the game almost totally through the prism of the painted area of the court. As he has said on numerous occasions, whoever wins the paint wins the game. The irony was that for many successful seasons, Minnesota's style was defined by Flip Saunders and KG, who were about as paint-phobic as a plus-.500 coach and a seven-foot superstar could possibly be.
McHale constantly preaches that there are three ways to score in the paint: feed in to a capable low-post player, penetrate off the dribble, and grab offensive rebounds. Leaving aside the fact that McHale himself has rebutted that philosophy with dunderheaded moves, from Mark Blount on down, for the past three drafts and now with the KG trade, he is reinforcing that paint mantra with a vengeance. Al Jefferson is your classic low-block presence. Randy Foye, Rashad McCants, and Gerald Green are penetrators first and foremost. Craig Smith and Chris Richard are offensive glass cleaners first and foremost, and Corey Brewer will penetrate and crash the boards much more than your average swingman.
As a player, McHale ranks with Hakeem Olajuwon for possessing the best interior footwork in NBA history. His inability to instill much of that in a long succession of sub-mediocre Wolves' big men is a mystery, but, speaking just about this particular facet of the game, he's never had a diamond in the rough quite like Al Jefferson. Those who rag on Jefferson are foolish. Those, like ESPN commentator Stephen A. Smith (whose Native American name is most certainly Loud Flapping Jaw), who claim that Jefferson will suffer moving over to the more competitive Western Conference, didn't do what one of my smart readers, Jason in San Francisco, did and break down Jefferson's conference splits: Big Al was 15.9 ppg and 10.7 rpg in 41 games against Eastern Conference foes, and 16.3 ppg and 11.3 rpg in 28 games against the West. And because he is so low-post oriented, he already has a higher shooting percentage (51.3 for his career, 51.4 last year) and a greater share of offensive rebounds in his total boards than does Garnett.
But I'm making what will become an all-too-frequent mistakes over the next few years, which is comparing Jefferson and KG as if it is apples to apples. Not only will Jefferson never be as talented nor as versatile as Garnett (expecting otherwise does him a great disservice and belittles KG's legacy here), he is a much different kind of player--one who happens to mesh perfectly with McHale's preferred style of play. That, far more than his friendship with Ainge, is why McHale pursued the Boston trade (even more than Stoudamire in Phoenix, Horford via the Atlanta pick, or Bynum in LA).
Put simply, Jefferson is the new centerpiece of the Timberwolves. And while he will never be as valuable as Kevin Garnett, he's nine years younger, with a very high upside, the best of a bevy of potentially gifted players who figure to grow together over the rest of this decade.
Alongside Jefferson, I would include Corey Brewer and Randy Foye, in that order, as automatic members of new core group of Timberwolves. Without having seen Brewer play a single NBA game (a summer league tilt over the internet doesn't count), I am pretty sure he can play NBA-caliber defense and will bust his ass to refine his overall game, which already looks to have an upside along the lines of Bruce Bowen and Raja Bell, provided he can sink that trey a little more often. Foye will probably suffer more than any Timberwolf from KG's absence, but has a load of confidence and a season of experience at the point to help him through the rough patches. He isn't afraid to take--and will often make--the big shot. Furthermore, Brewer and Foye are both relatively selfless, high-character guys, which figures to be a very important aspect of the new McHale-Wittman regime. Let's hope so, anyway. In case anyone missed the huge, blinking, neon memo, the Wolves are full and total rebuilding mode, and emphasizing character and synergistic compatibility over large but selfish talent is the only sensible way to grow. And that should help make a few potentially controversial moves a lot easier to execute.
Like, at the very least, breaking up the cancerous Ricky Davis-Mark Blount tandem--or, better yet, sending them both to another Western Conference rival. Blount, Davis and Justin Reed formed a toxic little ex-Celtics clique on the sidelines and in the locker room last season, and the since-departed Reed was finished a distant third as the main complainer-conniver-malingerer jerk of the trio. Not to put too fine a point on it, I'd renounce the rights to Mark Blount if you can't swing the Blount for Adonal Foyle trade other smart readers here have proposed. Blount is the antithesis of the new-direction Wolves: He's old, expensive, treats the paint like kryptonite at both ends of the floor, and has shown a pronounced tendency to lie down like a dog when the mood suits him--like, say, the 10 weeks after the all star break last season. Even if he had a dramatic change of heart and performed with the inspiration and flashes of talent (nailing jumpers and showing hard on the pick and roll) that occurred during the first half of last season, he's a permanently bad fit robbing minutes from younger, systematically more compatible teammates. And if you played him the 5-15 minutes a game he'd otherwise merit, his attitude would either become a huge distraction and/or expose Wittman's tough guy stance of rank hypocrisy. How many more games are you going to win in 2007-08 with Blount on roster? More games than the lessons and lasting example of his presence this year will help you lose in 2009-10?
Davis is a thornier dilemma. First, with Garnett gone, ball-movement decision-making becomes the most pressing of the team's many flaws; in my opinion it also happens to be the strongest aspect of Davis's game. Add in that Davis can realistically (though still inaccurately) regard himself as a team leader this upcoming season, that he is playing for a new contract, and that his plethora of skills besides ball movement will be less redundant with KG gone, and you can see how he might be convinced to become a positive force, to the point where I shed a crocodile tear or two when he is inevitably unloaded at mid-season or when his deal expires at the end of the year.
On the flip side, Davis could raze this ballclub more thoroughly and effectively than anyone but Jefferson (if Big Al decides he doesn't like Minnesota, this franchise is in for a mess of hurt and apathy). Ricky's history with the Wolves and elsewhere is that defensively he plays when he feels like it. Rotation-wise, he pouts whenever he has to sit. And when it comes to acting out, he's not exactly passive-aggressive, as that ersatz bathroom break during the Lakers game that probably cost Dwane Casey his job attests. I've heard from a number of back-channel sources on the Wolves and in the media that Casey couldn't stand coaching Davis. And anyone remotely paying attention has seen the blatant inconsistencies in effort during the 110 games or so he's logged with the Wolves. Others might also raise the misguided triple-double mistake he made early in his career, which I regard as stupid but not as damning as his Jekyll and Hyde defense, which is just tantalizingly solid enough to generate sufficient trust to do real damage when he betrays the faith.
Both Davis and Blount reportedly were not high on Jefferson's favorites list when all were in Boston, which, frankly, speaks well of Jefferson's character and judgment. If it comes to a pissing on turf match between the Bobbsey Twins and Big Al, may the younger man prevail. Ditto the potential clash between Davis and Rashad McCants, who ostensibly will be competing for playing time with Pretty Ricky and has his own contract extension to consider.
Right now, McCants is the biggest wild card in the Wolves's future. If he can combine the offensive game he flexed in the final six weeks of his rookie season with the generosity of spirit and defensive commitment he displayed throughout last season on both the sidelines (while recovering from microfracture surgery) and on the court, he could be a stud who joins Jefferson, Brewer and Foye as building blocks to the playoffs. If he starts hogging the ball, spacing out on defensive rotations, clapping his hands for the rock out on the perimeter and generally favoring the "born to be hated" side of tattooed duality, then he will forever be unremembered or lamented as a poor man's JR Rider.
The Davis-McCants conundrum gets to a literally larger and more crowded personnel issue facing the new-look Timberwolves between now and opening day: Assuming Brewer gets at least 30 minutes a night as one of your swingmen, how are the rest of the minutes divvied up in the cattle call for the other swingman spot? Are Wittman and McHale arrogant and perhaps foolish enough to think that Davis and McCants can productively co-exist, let alone florish, for even half a season? Remember, McCants venerated KG. If he's going to suck up the enormous psychological blow of Garnett's absence, he's going to need the oxygen of a regular and fairly sustained stint on the court, at least 25-30 minutes a game. Does anyone think Davis can be appeased with less than 35 minutes a game (about four minutes less than he averaged last year) on a non-KG team? And we haven't even started talking about Trenton Hassell, Gerald Green, or, if he isn't flipped back to point guard, Marko Jaric.
Obviously, I think hard decisions need to be made about Davis and McCants before opening day. Wittman has to tell Davis that big minutes are not guaranteed, that defensive consistency and offensive ball movement matter most, that if he is in the top three on the team in minutes he should be the team's assist leader, the second best perimeter defender behind Brewer, and a stalwart presence in the locker room--let the points come when they come. Oh, and no shots with more than 20 seconds on the clock and no leaking out for cheap layups that more frequently produce cheap putbacks for the opposition. If and when Davis bucks the discipline, he needs to fill the Troy Hudson memorial seat at the end of the bench and not move for about a week. At the same time, Wittman needs to inform McCants that for the first three or four months of the season, his patience and perseverance are being auditioned as much as his talent; that Davis will be going via a trade before spring and that he should use the time to hone his game and be able to step in as the full-fledged two-way dynamo he is capable of becoming.
Or, if the Wolves are really sold on McCants, peddle Davis before the season starts and begin the trial by fire with Foye at the point. Or, deal both Davis and McCants for help at point guard and center and let Marko Jaric be Foye's ball-movement savvy backcourt mate. I'd mention Trenton Hassell, but I think the dust-up between Hassell and Wittman last season, plus the redundancy of Hassell with Brewer and the attractiveness of Hassell's on-ball defense to a few potential contenders, combine to almost guarantee that he'll be gone before the opening tap. There are no shortage of decisions to make, and they're as important as leaving the blocks cleanly during a long relay race.
For example, what about Ryan Gomes? Yeah, he was a "throw-in" on the KG trade at the last minute, and only makes $770,000 on a contract due to expire at the end of the year. He also is built like the proverbial brick shithouse--6-7, 250 pounds--is a high character guy, and started 60 games for the Celts while logging 2275 minutes, which would have put him 4th on the Wolves last year behind only KG, Davis and Blount, and ahead of Foye, James, Hassell, Jaric, etc. The guy is a curious 'tweener along the lines of Justin Reed, only much, much better, with more beef and a hair less quickness. He'll turn 25 on September 1, and is another reason why Trenton Hassell is going to get the short straw when it comes to assembling this roster. I couldn't begin to tell you where Gomes will fit in, but he was very popular in Boston, which suddenly has a very exciting team in need of some glue guys, so I suggest that if the Wolves plan on keeping him when his contract expires after this year, that the seduction process begin soon and include a nice niche in the substitution rotation.
I also don't have a clue as to how the Wolves maximize a front line that, aside from Jefferson, locker room stalwart Juwon Howard (who needs to be kept in the mix), and the hopefully departed Blount, is comprised of a trio of undersized grinders in Craig Smith, Mark Madsen, and Chris Richard. I think Richard is better than D-league material; that Smith will continue to improve (if only because half of those unfair blocking fouls he was whistled for will be ruled charges); and that for all the guffaws about Madsen's amateurish appearance, the guys helps more often than he hurts when thrown in for short 5-10 minute bursts.
The bottom line on all of this is that the last three drafts and the KG trade have generated a whole bunch of really interesting pieces with which to jigsaw together a basketball team, including some draft picks and some salary cap space. It will be up to the front office, specifically Wittman, McHale, Taylor and Hoiberg, to combine these pieces in a way that creates synergy instead of chaos. I understand the cynicism toward McHale and Wittman, whose recent track records inspire opprobrium. When former Strib beat writer Steve Aschburner asked me for a projected win count during a preseason exhibition game last year, my honest but wide-berthed answer was they'd win between 28 and 40 games and miss the playoffs. A year later, two months before training camp, I'd lower those parameters to between 15 and 30 wins. But I already feel better about this team than I did about last year's. There is young talent here; can it be meshed and molded properly? That's a more enticing prospect to watch unfold--whether the answer is yes or no--than watching the poignant frustrations pile up for an aging superstar compelled to endure the inconsistencies of his overpaid, underachieving teammates.
I know this post is becoming a novel, but one last thing. Just as bashing McHale and Wittman before they've had a chance to glisten or besmirch their clean slate serves no purpose beyond primal therapy, lamenting the delay in trading Garnett is, for me at least, 20/20 hindsight. Should the Wolves have pounced on the offer of Luol Deng, Tyson Chandler, and the #2 pick from Chicago a year ago? Yeah, it looks like it. But I see no dishonor in Glen Taylor trying to make it work for as long as possible--and at least a year longer than he should have--in deference to his loyal superstar. This is where Kevin McHale earns our scorn, in the time between the Sammy and Spree revolt and last week's blockbuster concession to the reality that KG's time in Minnesota was destined for a bad and sad denoument.
I started this thing by saying that, post-trade, McHale has a chance to rebut or reinforce negative perceptions. The same is true of Garnett, albeit in much more favorable circumstances. All that talk about not stepping up and never having quality teammates are off the table beginning this season in Boston. It is a near optimal situation for the three Celtic stars, who all became accustomed to carrying their respective teams these last few years. None have ever had a teammate as good as one--let alone both--of the others. It is like toiling by yourself in the fields and suddenly being assisted by two quality workers; it gives you far more energy and inspiration than if the three of you had all started working together. I expect to see the Celts, at minimum, in the Eastern Conference finals. I expect to see the Wolves flounder for at least a year or two, but can't help but notice the dim light at the end of a long tunnel. Just desserts, all around.


I loved KG, for all the reasons, stated by all, over and over. But his leaving under these circumstances is ideal. He gets traded to an eastern conference team. He's joining two bonafide superstars, so he is given the best chance to win, and win now. We get young, talented, and two 1st round picks, and cap relief.
I'm going to say a little prayer that Ray Allens legs hold up, KG doesn't suddenly falter because of his 30K minutes, and Pierce also stays healthy for them to compete successfully for the next 3 years.
If KG can't get it done in that span, I won't feel too bad for him.
Ryan Gomes may be a duplicate of Craig Smith in many ways, but why not have two of those, or three with Richard? If McHale is designing a in the paint dynamism, those three sound good to me. Why let the other team have a rebound. Fair is fair. As Moses Malone (we are exactly the same age) once said, "We win, when we have the ball. I go get the ball."
The other thing about this cast of youngsters. Smith and Gomes are FOUR YEAR college performers in high end Big East colleges. I think that's huge. Aschburner wrote a column last year comparing the winning cultures of the young Bulls, and the lack of winning culture on the Wolves. It was stark. The Bulls had 4 or 5 guys that were in the final Four. The Wolves had one, Foye, and he came up short thanks to Brewer and company.
Now they have Brewer, Foye, and Richard. I think that's going to help in the long run.
We have players on our roster who have vivid, recent memories of winning, and what it takes to win. Teamwork, savvy, sacrifice. Good Trade.
A completely young team does sound interesting. Though... I really do worry about it. You have a lot of young kids in today's world of mass marketing and media frenzy. There was an article a few years back about Eddie Curry and Tyson Chandler when they were on the Bulls. The article talked about how Eddie Curry was busy playing his hand held video game set and Chandler was busy texting and downloading ring tones or something right before a game. It was basically talking about the maturity level of these "kids" in the NBA. It was also pointing out the differences or the yester year NBA and today's emerging NBA.
I am liking the L.A. Clippers for my example. HORRUBLE team. Just horrible for years and years. Draft pick after draft pick, loss after loss, they just kept coming until 2 years ago. They had no vets. No guys who can show them the work ethic needed for success in the NBA. They had no KG to show them what it took.
What I am getting at is that I think that you do need some good vets in the locker room. They don't need to be leaders. They don't need to be vocal, but they need to show them the level of professionalism youshould have. The Bulls young version 1 didn't work. Clippers took eons to develope until those draft picks became vets themselves. I think it would have happened quicker with more guidence.
I personally would rather keep Jaric as our back up guard and cut Telfair. At least Jaric isn't the NRA's Posterboy. j/k He's versitle. Plays better defense. I never heard of Jaric being "lazy". He's a semi-vet. The fact that he can play the 1-2-3 decent is another plus. I also liked what I saw on the floor when Jaric was in with the kids, specifically Foye. But none the less, I think he can be more useful in a fast pace free flowing offesne. I think yu'll take better benefit of him find the passing lanes and can you imagine what would happen to a turn over prone/happy team against this roster? All these guys can dunk jumping off their back foot holding a tea cup at mid-night!
I know it's a bit seductive to think about offense. But what good does it do when the opponent is scoring 2 x as much?
If you don't like Ricky Davis because he plays defense off and on or poorly like Mike James and Troy Hudon, why would you let the young people slack off here? Personally, I don't want them to forget the defensive part of the game. If you want to divide up playing time..give it to the people who play defense.
Anyway... I am anxiously awaiting more Wolves moves!
I really feel I need to wait till I give my big grand scenario situations until the Wolves make some more moves. I can just say a few vets wouldn't be the worst I don't think and in the long run it might just be helpful.
college wolf i agree with u half way. we need to get rid of ricky and blount asap. WE also need to try and dump trenton and marko. i would also let madsen go. i think are team has a shit ton of potentail. with them four or five players gone i just mentioned and we would be down to twelve players. this is the roster i would go with.
PG: Foye/Telfair
SG: McCants/Green
SF:Brewer/Gomes
PF:Smith/Richards assuming he makes the team
C: Jefferson/Howard
with theo ridin the pine along with madsen if we still have teh guys we need to get rid of i say u just let them sit or release them.
Im not really sold on how good richards is if hes not that great gomes could get more minutes at the four and green more at the 3 which is his natural position. Im not sure why u have no faith in mccants when he was actually givina n oppurtunity he averaged like 16 points a game and scoreed from three from the line from mid range and from the hoop the whole package. last year he had surgery on his knee u couldnt expect more. he did play great defense last year so now he can score and play good D. hmmm. summer league he didn't shoot particularly well but he could shoot is whole life so im not too worried. and by the way green natural position is the 3 even though he played some 2 last year so i see him backing up mccants anbd brewer and seeing gomes play the 4. Does anybody know wjhy mccants changed his number to 32.
Alright, first off... I haven't been commenting here as much as I would like... BUT, I still do read all your articles Britt and all the comments. It's great stuff. Some of the best Wolves coverage on the net right here at the Rake.
I'm not gonna talk ad nauseum about how much I miss KG and the trade and blah blah blah. Do I miss KG? Yes. Was it sad to see him go? Yes. Was it a good move for the future of our franchise? Hell yes. Will I still cheer for KG? Definitely Yes. The silver lining in the trade is that the Celtics have been my second favorite team for a few years now, so that's cool that KG will be playing for them. That excites me. Also, Ryan Gomes was my favorite "Non-TWolf" in the entire league... and now he's playing for my favorite team! That's frickin pretty dang cool if you ask me.
As I said, I'm a ardent follower of the Celtics (almost as closely as the Wolves) so I believe I have some pertinent insight into the players we got in the trade. As for the trade itself, the problem isn't who we just got for KG. The problem is that there were multiple trades offered the past two years that would have brought us a far large bounty. That's the only thing that disgusts me. I was pining for "the Bulls trade" ever since the deadline two years ago. Granted, I don't have anything in writing on Britt's comments (cuz I didn't even know about you two years ago) but in the message boards I frequent I was one of the very few in the minority saying that we should have accepted the Bulls offer and not looked back. The gist of the trade was Luol Deng, Tyson Chandler, the Bulls #2 pick (they took Tyrus Thomas), the Knicks future #1 (they took Joakim Noah) plus salary filler (Which would have been easier to match because KG got paid less back then.) That easily beats this Boston trade. But whatever, that's beyond my control.
With that said, I firmly believe that this Boston deal is the best deal that we possibly could have gotten for KG at this point in the game. It's the best deal I could have even hoped for. In fact, I think we were lucky to get what we did. If any of you were reading the rumors and whatnot, the thing holding up the completion of the deal was Gomes and the number of first rounders we were supposed to get in return. Gomes is a stud (going into the players in the next paragraph) and the picks are icing on the cake. Granted, we shouldn't have had to trade back for our pick (because we should have never traded it last year in the first place) but that has value for two reasons. One, being that we will be a bad team. Two, we can now use it to try and dump either Blount or Marko. I know it sucks to give away first round picks, but we have no room on our roster as is, and it is imperative that we move Blount. No one is going to take Blount or Marko off our hands even up. I'd do a future first plus Blount or Marko just to move them. We NEED them away from our roster. The Celtics 2009 pick will probably be in the low 20's. But you never know. If one (or two) of their big three goes down, Boston will suck. That could end up being a decent pick if we are lucky. I'm not counting on it being a good draft pick, but you never know. With that said, I would have still done the deal without getting draft picks back, so they are just icing on the cake.
Here's a rundown of the guys we got.
"Big Al" Jefferson - He's a stud. Anyone that says otherwise is just plain ignorant. I watched around a dozen Celtics games last season, and I've followed almost every game they've played the past two or three years. It's your own fault if you sleep on this guy. He's only 22 and already possessed some of the best post moves in the game. He had a terrible ankle injury his first season, and didn't quite let it heal. That caused him to be cautious and ineffective the remainder of his first year. Last season, he had a fluke appendectimy, which sidelined him for 7 games I believe. Also, the Celtics were terrible and he was ROUTINELY double and triple teamed in the post. When Pierce went down for those 20 something games, Big Al was the man on offense, despite the fact that every team they played game planned against him. Clifford Ray came on the Celtics last season and mentored Big Al and it made a night and day difference from the previous two years. You don't think McFale can't teach him a thing or two? He would have been in this past draft class if he went to college, and would have been the hands down #3 (or maybe #2) overall pick. I won't rip on the Big Al haters yet, but you will be pleasently surprised. He's the new future of this team (if he gives MN a chance and we sign him.) It is known that he didn't want to leave Boston, saying that if he got traded for AI last year he would "chain himself to the bus" to stay in Beantown.
Gerald Green - The kid has game. The problem is he's dumb as a rock and can't play defense. He had a terrible summer league outing, which probably helped us by lowering his perceived value. He has potential to be really good, but he's still young and learning. He just needs time (and all McCants minutes.) What he can do is shoot. From anywhere on the court. He's got one of the sweetest shots I've seen, and he's nearly unblockable because of how high he jumps up to release. You would think he'd be deadly slashing to the rim, but he seems either incapable of doing it... or just doesn't know how. I'd go with the latter, because he's a terrible dribbler. So, he needs to improve his defense, handle, and BBall IQ. IF that can happen, we'll have a future star on our hands. I wanted us to draft him (among 4 others) in that draft over McCants anyways... so I'm glad we got him.
Ryan Gomes - I love this guy. My favorite player in the league is now on my favorite team. I'll be cheering my ass off for him next year. Unlike GMoney, he's got a GREAT BBall IQ. He's gonna be our Shane Battier. He was the 50th overall pick in the draft and the only reason he got to even play his rookie season is because of injuries. Doc Rivers is such a colossal idiot that he didn't know what he had in Gomes until he was forced to play him the last 30 or so games of the season. Gomes is a guy that you don't have to run plays for and he'll still contribute. I know this because he averaged 12 and 6 last year and I don't think Doc drew up a single play for him. He does the dirty work, gets offensive boards and put backs and has been working on his stroke like crazy. He has extended his range to the three point line and even though he only took like 42 threes last year (all towards the end of the season) I think he made them at almost a 40% clip. He does all the intangibles as well as playing heady defense and setting screens. People have been saying he's "like Craig Smith." That's wrong, first of all, he's been in the league longer than Smith, so at the very least, Craig Smith is "like Ryan Gomes." Also, he's a legit 6'8" and 250 pounds. Craig Smith doesn't can't say that. Gomes should be our starting SF and backup PF against small lineups... but who knows with that idiot (Dim)Wittman.
Sebastion Telfailure - Purely a throw in. If we can get anything out of him I'd be surprised. Then again, you never know as he is still young. The problem is that he can't stay out of trouble and wore out his welcome in both Boston and Portland. He struggled last year even though Doc started him the first 30 something games of the season. The problem is that he's a cutting and slashing point guard. Doc had him dribble it up in a slow down half court offense (for what reason I'll never know.) That's not his forte and he struggled. Perhaps with our youngsters we can implement some sort of run and gun offense. IF that can happen, he wouldn't be a terrible 10-15 minute per game backup to Foye. If he can get someone to mentor him, he could turn out alright. The problem is that we have no such veteran "mentor" point guard on our team. That's why I wanted us to sign either Blake, Atkins, or Brevin Knight. I guess we could still sign Knight, but there is 0% chance Taylor pays double (because of the luxury tax) for a guy like Knight. So, with all that said, I'm sure he'll struggle with the Wolves because of a lack of guidance. It's too bad... he really has the skills. However, be warned that if he does play, don't expect defense because he's too small and can't play any. His D is much like T-Hud, Mike James, or worse. It's not a pretty sight. You would think someone that quick could play defense, but he just can't.
The Ratliff - Obviously just for salary. Some people are hoping he plays for us. I doubt he will. I'm not sure of the exact terms with the insurance company, but I do know that if he misses too many games, insurance pays 80% of his contract. I'm sure Glen Taylor would love that. Once again, I do not know what he has to miss for insurance payments to kick in. I'd keep him around (rather than buyout or cut) because he could be a good mentor to Jefferson and to some extent Craig Smith.
The biggest problem with this trade is that we know have too many "NBA Ready" players. We will have one of the worst records next season, but we probably have one of the most "deserving" rosters, from top to bottom. One could make a case that almost all 16 of our guys deserve consistent playing time. HOW is this going to be managed? I have no faith in Wittman to manage the minutes of 12 players every game. Without a clearcut pecking order and consistent minutes, next season could be an absolute disaster. What's gonna happen if Ricky Davis doesn't get his 35-40 minutes a night (more on this next paragraph)? What's going to happen is his attitude is going to go south and he'll bring the rest of the team down in a hurry. What about guys like Gerald Green and McCants? Say they get 25 minutes one game but only 5 the next? How long will they put up with stuff like that? We need to get rid of at least four or five guys from this roster before next season.
So, what do we do? If I were running things, I'd dump the "veterans" and go completely young. It's about all we can really do at this point. I firmly believe that it is IMPERATIVE that we get rid of Blount and Ricky Davis before next season at all costs. We cannot allow them to stay and taint our young lineup. In Ricky's own mind I'm sure he believes he's the best player on this team and the new "leader." The problem is that he couldn't lead a fish to water. Blount... he will be a problem to get rid of, but they need to find a way. If we could get rid of Marko, that would be great. We should be in talks with GS, as I think they present the best chance to dump a few of these guys. Here's one example. Keep in mind both of these moves would need to happen.
1) Blount to GS for the 10 Million Trade Exception
2) Ricky + McCants for Adonal Foyle
Why we do it: To clear roster space and get the bad attitudes off our team. Adonal Foyle has a bad contract, that is true. However, he's a sterling character guy more of a true center than Blount wll ever be, even in his wildest dreams. Foyle rebounds and plays defense... exactly what we need next to Big Al. Getting rid of Ricky AND McCants clears up huge minutes for the rest of our youngsters and helps set the pecking order. Getting rid of Blount is a no brainer.
Why GS does it: Blount could actually be half decent in Nellie's system. Ricky Davis could do a decent job of replacing Richardson. McCants is young and some say he has "potential." I don't think he does, but you all know that already. We better not wait too long to trade McCants or all the other teams will see what I already know this upcoming season. Foyle never plays for them and is terrible for Nellie's system anyways. They'd love to get rid of his contract, even if it meant bringing in Blount.
So where does that leave us? It's a great start. If we could somehow dump Jaric and probably Hassell (who I actually wouldn't mind keeping for leadership) we would be looking really good. Another potential trade out there that we should be exploring is with Portland. They really want to dump Pryz and have been rumored to be trying to trade Jarret Jack. If we could somehow get those two guys, I'd love it. I'm not holding my breath though. Here's my roster shakedown assuming those three (Blount, RD, McCants) guys are somehow gone by next year. (I won't add in any new players because it's too much of a crapshoot.) Assuming we keep those three guys... well then, our roster is going to be fucked. I have no idea where you will find minutes for everyone on a Ricky Davis lead team. The only thing Ricky would lead this team to is another high lottery pick. Hopefully our roster looks like this:
Foye/Telfailure or Jaric
Brewer/Gerald Green/Jaric
Gomes/Gerald Green/Hassell
Big AL/Craig Smith/
Howard/Madsen/Richard
IR: Theo's Corpse
That's a great building block for the future. Gerald Green should get all McCants minutes anways (even if McCants stays.) Gomes SHOULD be starting at SF, it won't be a move that is regretted. While I am not huge on Foye playing PG, we don't have many other options, so I hope it works out. Big Al can play PF or Center, but Craig Smith isn't a starting caliber PF in this league, so it looks like Big Al starts at PF for us. Craig Smith is good for 25-30 backup minutes per game at PF and C, but he shouldn't be starting. We'd get killed if he does. Gomes I guess could play PF with Big Al at center against smaller lineups, that might work too. However I just hope Howard, Richard, and Madsen can hold down the center position until we find a better alternative.
We won't even have to worry about tanking anymore. Because we should be really bad. If we somehow aren't terrible and are winning games with our young core, that's awesome. I'd much rather this be the year that we win games and give our pick to the Clippers, rather than any of the past two years. Winning would be nothing but positive for the youngsters. However, I don't think we'll need to worry about winning enough games to have better than a bottom 10 record. With that said, all our guys should be able to try as hard as they can every game... which will only make them better players in the future. (Minus Blount of course if he stays, as he doesn't do "trying hard.")
I could easily get behind and support a team if it's constituted like that. That sets us up far better than any team we could have assembled with KG the next five years. And can any of you tell me with a straight face that you could justify paying him $105 million for FIVE more seasons? That's what Boston is paying him, and it's preposterous. Apparently he wanted a $60 million extension from Glen Taylor. For once, I am glad Glen didn't agree to pay someone. Quite simply, KG isn't worth that much at that stage in his career. Doesn't he have a clue as to how much he his hindering our cap by asking for that much? No wonder we couldn't build a team around him. I love KG and always will, but that's just ridiculous. Where's the hometown discount?
I can't wait to watch our young guys grow and gell before our eyes. If we keep Ricky and Blount though, I'll be very pissed off as they could easily derail this entire rebuilding effort. Anyhow, I think this marathon post is probably long enough by now. Our record next season....? My guess is between 20-25 wins. Even less if we keep Ricky and Blount.
Ok, this 3 pointer is just what I've been looking for. Isn't it funny how you have all these thoughts in your head (about T-Wolves) and they float here and there back and forth, a few new ones pop in and you've kinda missed the last few trains of thought. That what was happening with me. I think in this 3 pointer you can see why; yes, we just lost the identity of this team for the last 12 years. That's not easy to reconcile. Not easy at all as I believe.
Sadly I thought about going to games this coming year and I just got to thinking about the introduction...
Man I don't like or have any emotion connected to any of these clowns. But I would love to develop some. I too believe the sky's the limit with this crew. I will refrain from making KG to AL comparisons...no matter what AL does..hell win an NBA title..he'll never be KG. SO that being that..I think I'll just let Al be AL. I already said I'm not sold on AL, but hey who knows..who knows..
Believe it or not folks.. I am still a bit reeling from the trade. I am a bit lost for now..sorry about a lack of clear point making in my posts since the trade. I need the WOlves to start making moves. hehehe
ok I admit I am a bit excited to see... yeah it will be ugly but you never know..if Wittman and Co, give the youngsters free reign, get rid of the fakers, implement a good playing strategy, and demand some defense, then I think there will be a lot of excitment in watching and cheering on this team. But if not..it's gonna be a L O N G season..
P.S. Britt and fellow basketball fans,
You failed to mention Telfair... what of him? Will they just cut ties with him? Or are we really gonna have to watch him? :( What do yo think will happen?
Can someone please give the argument as to why McHale was not a good GM in the first two years of his tenure?
Granted, all subsequent moves sucked much of the air out of the franchise (Paul Grant, lost draft picks), but still I remember the first two years of Taylor/McHale as hopeful. Of course, this may be because the previous 6 years had been so devoid of hope.
1. Draft. Sure, you can say KG was a lucky pick, but it was still a good pick. And drafting Steph (or rather trading for him) wasn't a bad move either (although hindsight is 20/20 and Allen would have stayed here).
2. Trades. My memory is a little fuzzy and I was a teenager at the time, but we traded Donyell Marshall, Rider, and Laettner and got Gugliotta in return (what else?). I just remember McHale really cleaning up the roster. We had Terry Porter as well (solid veteran).
3. Who was the GM? This is back when Saunders had this title (GM), how much control did he have and are the good moves due to him rather than McHale?
Although I pose more questions than answers (facts) above, I still think McHale did alright when he started the job. He turned an awful franchise into one with hope and I believe he could have done this even without the drafting of KG (although KG does make more of a difference than McHale did).
In these early years he created a team with pretty solid character and refused to employ malcontents. It's later that he gets desperate and all plans go out the window.
**I still think McHale should go and that he's the wrong man for the job. But just thought I would try to remember something positive about the man's career as T-wolves VP of Basketball operations.
Oops, sorry to double up the posts.
Anyone who worries that Al Jefferson's numbers may have been inflated by playing on a bad team is forgetting that he'll be playing on a bad team in Minnesota, too.
He's a fun player to watch, he's just not KG... not in talent, history, or significance to the community. None of that is his fault.
I'm not timely because I was out of town, but I'll respond to Britt's point by point dismantling of my arguments.
I agree that McHale has assembled players that blend better with his preferred style of play. However, he does not coach this mess, and I don't think anyone likes going into games without a PG. Those of us who are a little older may remember Laettner unable to get a pass in the post because the first of our chronically injured points was not available. A few years after, Britt commented with worry that Steph received better alley oop passes from googs and KG than he could ever execute himself. The history of this franchise has shown how important the position is, and, like Britt said, without a PG we lean on Ricky D for ball handling... and you can stick a fork in the season on day one.
My comments about fans buying tickets is that *I* would have purchased tickets this year. I like hoping for the future, but I pay to see good basketball. I can't be the only one. If a couple more savvy trades (wie MJ for Juwon) could have been made, this team could have deserved a spot in the playoffs, and I would have been happy to pay for my spot in the target center.
My point about the early wolves is that the first two years represented commitment to a team building philosphy. They attempted to address holes in the roster. It wasn't completely fair to include the 15 win third year in your Tony Campbell comparison. I'm sure you remember that was after Musselman was shown the door for not giving Gerald Glass enough run (suddenly ending our hopes about wolves management).
And, to wrap things up, the lack of criticism for the management team happens because there is nothing left to tie this mess to any past success. They weather the trade criticism today but it's forgotten by analyzing the new product. They can claim a new start because they burned the house down, but I feel the foundation is still cracked. Our team has 7 PFs 1 SF and 6 SGs, assuming Telfair is released. They are much more talented than the original wolves, but they can't share the floor.
I know there is some room to hope, even if it defies most logic, but I'm still incredibly bitter not just about the trade to Boston (I understand that Al is a beautiful player), but that it goes against the McHale adage: "Our goal in trades is not to make the other team better." Boston could be great this year, and we (if Foye doesn't work and we don't get a PG for Ricky Davis) will be a completely unwatchable Hollywood Henderson repeat.
Mike,
Yes, statistics can be misleading and the Kandi man did put up some solid numbers in his last year as a Clipper. If we had been unfortunate enough to actually watch those games, however, we would have seen the turnovers, the easily blocked hookshots, the lazy post defense.
Just watching Jefferson demonstrates that he's just plain better than Kandi man ever was. He has more than potential, Jefferson is actually a good player. Now that may be all he ever is, a good player, but he's a solid contributor (when healthy). Again, I've seen the man play on TV 9 or 10 times and he looks very good. Granted, there's a reason I'm not scouting for the Twolves.
I also think that 30 wins is highly unlikely.
I'm actually not worried about Ricky Davis helping us win games. I think he'll be all offense all the time this season, trying to get a new contract (with another team) by proving he can score. Get Buckets! I think he'll hurt the team in the lockeroom and on the court.
In response to Mike's post, Jefferson has proven that he can put up numbers on a bad team (see Boston last year)...16 points and 11 boards in only 33 minutes per game is nothing to sneeze at.
With the breakdown earlier of Jefferson's stats against the Eastern Conference and Western Conference showing that he actually produces more against the west, there is certainly reason to be optimistic about him.
If he is able to put up those type of numbers on a bad team, while the defenses were only focusing on Pierce and Jefferson, his numbers would more then likely go up significantly on a good team...especially considering that he is still quite young.
I'm not stupid enough to literally compare Jefferson and Khandi man. You can scoff if you want, but Khandi put up nearly 12 points and nine boards in a season and a half of starts before joining the Wolves. I don't know about you, but I didn't think he was going to turn out as bad here as he did.
Jefferson has much more potential, sure, but no one can assume he's going to be a super star and that's what a lot of people seem to be doing. What players other than KG have the Wolves developed again? That's why I'm not optimistic with this crew in charge.
What if Jefferson isn't that good? KG proved he could put up numbers on a good or bad team, Jefferson hasn't, so that doesn't nullify my point either.
I'm all for trying to be optimistic, but i aint buyin what McHale and Taylor or anyone else is saying until the team shows something on the court. As of now, 30 wins is a flat out pipe dream.
For weeks we were subjected to any number of "possible" trade rumors for KG. NONE OF THEM sounded any better than this one. Jefferson is more of a player than ANY of the other principals involved in the other scenarios. Come on. We almost got stuck with Brandan Wright. At least Jefferson will produce. More to the point, unless you trade for a boatload of draftpicks (see herschel walker trade), you never get equal value for an aging superstar like KG. And NBA picks are much more of a crapshoot than NFL picks.
If R. Davis plays next season, he takes away minutes from the kids, AND we presumably win a few more games, moving us further away from a high-impact draft choice in next year's lotter. Under no circumstances am I suggesting that we tank in 07-08. I just think that we should play the guys who we are going to build with, and not waste any more time with jokers like telfair, davis and blount. Play Jaric as backup point guard. What's the worst that'll happen? Play Mateen Cleaves. At least he is a team player who won't undermine the team concept for a franchise which is now building from absolute zero.
There seems to be a general consensus among NBA wags that the Wolves did not get the best possible personnel for KG (The Al Jefferson PuPu Platter, anyone?) but that the trade was the correct move nonetheless. After a couple of days of reflection, I'll admit that I'm inclined to view the move as a positive, though to give voice to Midlife's passionate fan, and appropriate another of Simmons' chestnuts, it's hard to imagine calling your father and breathlesslessly exclaiming, "Did you hear? We got Theo Ratliff's expiring contract!"
What is undeniable about the move is that the Wolves currently have more options to improve than they did a week ago. Getting out of salary cap hell creates energy because it creates possibilities. As a fan, it's difficult not to project your own ideas for future developments, trades, etc. onto a newly 'clean slate' and come up with at least some scenarios that offer a cause for optimism. Unfortunately, I think that Britt is projecting a logic and sensibility onto Wittman, McHale, and Taylor that they do not possess.
As much as I'd like to believe that the KG trade/rebuilding project is a tacit acknowledgement that recent strategies have failed and a new approach is needed, when was the last time the braintrust backed up their rhetoric re: the Wolves identity, defense, chemistry, or intensity with actions that supported that rhetoric (and no, benching Trenton Hassell last year doesn't count)? Sure, "emphasizing character and synergistic compatibility over large but selfish talent is the only sensible way to grow" but wasn't that also the case last year when Davis and Blount were combining for minus 60's in 60 minutes on the floor and Rashad McCants was getting 4 minutes of garbage burn?
If your leadership allows double standards, encourages a tank-job to secure a better draft position, and continually voices sentiment that is obviously untrue (We're not shopping KG, Marcus Banks was the key to the deal, Ricky Davis is a great defender, we won't tolerate lack of effort) how can they be expected to earn the respect of the players and assemble a team with a real identity? Players aren't oblivious. They hear the commentary that McHale is the worst GM in the league. They see that Randy Wittman has a sub .400 lifetime winning percentage as a head coach in this league. They hear the comments from KG on his way out of town.
Britt writes, "if Big Al decides he doesn't like Minnesota, this franchise is in for a mess of hurt and apathy." Right now for me, that 'if' has about a 90 percent chance of turning into a when.
Granting that the past three drafts have been much better and the trade was the right move, McHale and Wittman have to go for this to work. Once they're gone (along with Davis and Blount), I'll feel like the slate is truly clean and I'll share in the optimism.
After looking over the comments and figuring out the likely future for the Timberwolves, I think the team should come in around 30 wins next season. While it might seem crazy, remember that the Timberwolves lost their last 7 games, and the Celtics lost 23 of 25 during the middle of the season. Both of those were tank jobs, meaning that for the purposes of determining the success of the individual teams, they're worthless. And while Boston may have received a top 50 talent, the Timberwolves have all the starters and decent backups from both teams at the time of the trade (with the exception of Rajon Rondo).
Now the team still needs to do some work to get read for the season. At this point I would trade Mark Blount for anyone, assuming that their contract is shorter (or they are much better). I agree 100% with Britt about McCants, and I believe that he should be playing 24 minutes a night, with the promise that if he makes smart decisions and wise shots, and plays hard defense, that he will be given even more running time. If he falters, then the Wolves should ride the hot hand of Jaric, Hassell, or Green.
I honestly do not know what to make of the Ricky Davis' situation. Currently the Wolves are committed to youth which would dictate trading Ricky away. But they are also committed to keep salary cap flexibility, and I doubt that the return on Davis is going to substantial enough to warrant the loss of salary cap space. It's worth seeing what the market might be for him, but I'm not expecting to see him leave anytime before his contract finishes.
On trades in general, I think that the Wolves need to get a 2:1 accomplished in order to create some more space on the roster while causing any overall damage to the cap space. I would look at veterans who are redundant on this roster and see if there is a way to begin moving them out. The two I believe should be moved are Mark Madsen and Trenton Hassell. Both are generall character players, and certainly have a better positive influence then Davis and Blount, but both have become extremely redundant thank to this trade. Some people have suggested Blount for Foyle, while I believe that Hassell and Madsen for Foyle. I'm not sure exactly how trade exemptions work, but Minnesota would need some sort of exemption to make this trade feasible. While this trade doesn't address chemistry issues, I think trimming the roster (without hurting the long-term cap space) is just as important. Ideally, the Wolves can move Blount, Davis, Hassell, and Madsen for 2 guys with shorter contracts, or 2 chemistry players and a project that has a small contract. However, I don't think there is a large market for the veterans at this moment, and will be surprised to see any major moves between now and November 2.
Wow. Keep it coming Britt (and posters).
First: As expected, the Wolves let go of Bracey Wright. Too bad. I'd rather have gambled on him than McCants.
Britt's thoughts almost got me excited about the watching the Wolves this year. But...I have issues with a certain GM and Britt's take on current events
If in earlier years McHale seemed to have a plan that involved tough play in the paint, why did the Wolves suffer the soft-serv combo of Rasho with Dean Garret, Loren Woods, Marc Jackson (heck, even Joe Smith), and then finally go for `Kandi (and then -- desperately -- Blount). I have a half-baked theory that McHale stubbornly kept thinking that KG would somehow morph into a clone of some guy who wore #32 for the Celtics.
Second, adding to the Wolves history of "petty jealousy", I think Britt should have added Wally Szczerbiak in there somehow. My point being that for whatever reason, this organization (and in particular, McHale) has not been able to a) foresee these kinds of issues and b) deal with them effectively. Britt reviewed most of the potential conflicts on the current roster, there are wayyy too many *obvious* bad possibilities. With KG gone, I don't see anyone on this team having the leadership ability to keep it all together.
Nope, I'm not gonna drink *any* McHale Kool-Aid.
The really sad thing is that guys with character like Hassell, Brewer, Smith, hopefully Jefferson, maybe Richards, get screwed - along with us fans.
Shawn at some point you should really read Mark Cuban's blog, in his post about why he let Steve Nash go he provides a lot of very interesting insight into managing the luxury tax and being an owner of a team.
http://www.blogmaverick.com/2004/07/03/steve-nash-part-1/
Even with trading KG the Wolves are over the luxury tax level for this year. If the tax level does not increase much over the next few years, then it is very likely Taylor would expect to pay luxury tax for the entire length of KG's contract.
Couple that with the fact that they had decided to use the kids to build around rather than the vets, we would be losing, and there would be no play-off money for the team. Eventually, you just have to stop the bleeding, and the Wolves did.
You'll note the number 12 million, well that 12 million or so is approximately what Taylor will probably end up paying Al Jefferson in his extension, to begin with. In the end it is simply a business decision, it makes more sense to pay Al Jefferson at the age of 25 12-15 million than KG 20 million at age 35, or even pay KG 12 million in that regard as well.
I really question the ability of Witt to coach decently. I understand that he hasn't had much of a chance in either coaching stops, but I also have yet to see anything short of disappointment out of him either.
Shawn - I don't think the question is whether it's worth it to spend 20 mil per season on KG a few years down the road. He's a player who is worth every penny, but we are in salary cap purgatory when you combine Ticket with the rest of our deals. Is it worth it, from a business or competitive standpoint, to while away the seasons waiting for junk contracts like Blount and Hudson to come off the books? Can you sell tickets to that show? You certainly can't trade those guys, unless it's for some other team's similar contracts/productivity. Aside from the offseason we acquired Spre and Sam, do we have any history of using our meager tradebait to fill roles? We took some gambles that didn't work (Ricky, a guy management really coveted at the time, and Mike James), as well as a few that did (Hassell, Hoiberg, Chauncey).
I just can't see us getting better with our roster with KG - a draft pick every year (provided we don't win enough games to lose the pick!) is not the way to build a winner. Sure we've got young guys like Foye and Smith who show promise, and Brewer, who I probably don't need to remind you all, has yet to play an NBA game. And was KG clamoring for more youth/potential? He was stuck in the exact same spot his new teammate PP was - "please get me some veteran help already!"
I also don't think KG would have definitely walked. But seeing his excitement at that press conference...I can't help but think we made the right decision for him and for our team as well.
Last thought - I can't remember where I read it (maybe one of you linked to it), but there was an article recently about San Antonio's philosophy regarding personnel. The main thing I remember was their obtaining 3 'stars' - guys who have flat-out talent - and surrounding them with players who will go through a wall to win. Apart from KG (and maybe Craig Smith, who actually CAN go through a wall), who are those guys on our roster, before or after this trade?
Saudagg and Britt,
Good stuff. I agree with everything both of you say, because you both make great points. My heart is with SD, because KG has a place in my heart. His main virtue he has touted from the beginning is his loyalty. As long as Taylor was honest with him he would have stayed and I do think he would have relished being the elder statesmen grooming the young talent around him and watching them take over as the main Timberwolves as his minutes declined. I believe in all of my heart that KG would have resigned with the Wolves to a fair offer that was also discounted for his loyalty to the organization. That is my heart talking.
My brain recognizes Britt's point and KG is too expensive for a Wolves team whose fanbase is rapidly eroding as the majority of Minnesotans are getting bored with the KG led Wolves who, at best, were aiming at returning to mediocrity. Under this scenario, my belief is that Taylor's business sense kicked in and he said, the hell with loyalty. Actually, for everyone who is questioning the timing of this trade and wondering why Taylor did not do it earlier, it is because loyalty did trump Taylor's business senses for a while - and that is saying something for as successful a businessman Taylor has been.
Taylor gets very specific on the KG trade:
http://www.twincities.com/walters/ci_6531315
Sometimes I am shocked at how much he says in the media. Why throw out the exact dollar figures? So the entire future of the franchise rested upon whether KG would take 12 vs. 20 million per year? In reading the rest, I assume they looked at the whole picture. But this comes off as purely a financial move vs. one to acquire enough talent to make a future run at a championship.
Mr. Robson,
I've read you on-and-off for a few years and kick myself everytime I realize it hasn't been regularly as you are one of the best Wolves writers by far.
As for your point, I'm going to attempt to be brief as I'm sleepy and need to go to bed. We both agree that KG would've stuck around for at least two years. You think he would've walked due to our bleak situation. I think our situation two years from now would be a lot rosier. All our young guys would be either in or just hitting their primes, we're guaranteed at least one 1st rounder over the next 2 years and, at that point, most of our horrid, cap-killing contracts would be nearing expiration and become valuable trading chips. If KG would've stuck around through the next 2 years, I think it would've been a lot easier to re-sign him then as opposed to now.
Thanks for the thoughtful analysis Britt. Please don't worry about making your articles shorter. If we wanted 45 second puff pieces, we'd just stick to the PP and Strib.
I think it makes sense to react to the Garnett trade on different levels:
1) The lack of success during Garnett's time here and the resulting need to trade Garnett.
McHale and Taylor wasted a once-in-a-franchise HOFer. This is undeniable and represents a total failure. It will stain McHale's resume no matter what he does for the rest of his career.
2) The timing of the trade.
Obviously we could have gotten more value last year. Again, I think Taylor and McHale need to take the blame here. A competent GM should have known that tweaking around the corners and drafting a few rookies was not going to result in a championship run. So they should have either traded Garnett or made big moves before now (trading the picks, flipping Sprees contract for a guy like Baron Davis, etc.)
3) The trade itself
Prevailing wisdom seems to be that when trading a superstar you should shoot for a young stud, some young prospects, good draft picks, and salary relief. Al is great example of a young stud, Green/Gomes/Telfair represent iffy young prospects, the picks are mediocre, and Theo is good salary relief. All in all, it seems like a mixed bag when compared to the 'ideal' criteria. However, it looks pretty decent compared to the Iverson and Shaq trades.
A few concerns with the Wolves moving forward are:
1) Will we be able to trade enough veterans to free up minutes for the young guys and disinfect the locker room? Davis, Blount, Jaric, and maybe Hassell need to go. That is a lot of bad contracts/iffy players. If I had to pick one it would be Blount due to his bad history with Jefferson. Second would be Davis since he'll take lots of minutes away from McCants/Green/Brewer/Gomes and teach them how to not give a @#$# about winning.
2) Is Witt a decent enough coach/teacher, and will he up-tempo the team to take advantage of the youth?
3) If the young Wolves surprise and start getting close to 30 or 35 wins, does the tanking begin again to ensure we don't give the pick to the Clips? Wouldn't that be soul-crushing for the young guys?
Hey, good stuff here--I'm glad you folks are emulating my verbosity--even from the people I ripped, knowing that I've said many nice things about Midlife, and probably Mike too in the past, and that they can take it.
I dig the passion Saudagg, but disagree that KG would have stayed. I think he would have hung around past the opt-out, as that's a lot of money to leave on the table, but would have left when his deal expired. Why? Because Taylor simply couldn't have afforded to sign a guy with that many court miles on the odometer with a fan base that had grown complacent with the NBA's most versatile superstar and needed team excellence to stay engaged. Because the mistakes McHale made in the past few years extended too long into the future. Because KG and McHale fundamentally didn't trust each other anymore to do what they believed was the right thing by this team and this franchise.
You probably haven't been reading me long enough, but I used to threaten to toss folks off this blog who wanted to raise the spectre of KG being traded. Back then, it was a trollish thought and nothing more. My position was until Garnett or managment voiced a desire for him to go, the discussion served no purpose. But three straight years out of the playoffs in almost direct correspondence to KG coming down from his peak and a series of cap-crippling, draft-choice draining moves, culminating in two years of fake injuries and not so subtle tanking down the stretch...Well, when that happens, it's hard to deny the possibility that the string had been played out unsuccessfully and all that remained was future recriminations, apathy, and rueful second thoughts by the superstar and the owner both. KG may hate change, but when opponents come at him for the double team on the low block at crunch time, his vision will see both Pierce and Allen and, as always, he'll make the right pass. Only now, much more likely than not, the ball will go through the net and the "right play" will also be the winning play. That's a change from what happened here that KG will learn to love.
Anto--the crazy thing is, nobody knows who among the holdovers will be fit into the mix. Ditto the newcomers. I think Jefferson, Foye and Brewer are all on solid ground. The rest? You can't take any of their futures to the bank. I find this to be more than a little troubling and exciting at the same time--I suspect it's also what disgusts Mike and Midlife, and I can understand that impulse. But as a hoops junkie who loves to try and align the truth and beauty of the game like a metaphysical rubik's cube, it is going to be fascinating.
I guess I personally don't see why KG had to go. Call me a blind homer. Call me stupid and short-sighted. Call me old-fashioned (although I am only 25, so I guess that's a hell of a throwback), but I say this for a few reasons. First is the obvious one. Listening to everything KG had to say, he was not going to leave 'Sota. He just wasn't. He's the most loyal sports player alive today; possibly ever. He's also a creature of habit and despised change. So that whole "the Wolves need to trade him before he opts out and leave" argument is B.S. Unsurprisingly, most of the rhetoric from people lauding the trade has switched from that to the fact that the Wolves were condemned to perpetual mediocrity with KG.
Which brings me to my 2nd point. I call complete B.S. on that idea of us never being a winner with KG. Last year, KG's supporting consisted mainly of Davis, James, Blount and Hassell, with everyone else thrown in haphazardly. Does that make anyone else sick? That the decision to move KG came after a season with those turds prominently involved? Jesus Christ himself couldn't have carried that toxic team anywhere (and I hear he's got mad hops).
FINALLY, McHale et al. had put in place decent, albeit young, pieces around KG. Foye, a slashing, scoring PG. McCants, a possible offensive force and defense-stretching 3 shooter. Brewer, a lockdown defender and another possible scorer. Smith and Richard: two low-post beefcakes to bang around. Why didn't KG get a shot with them? Team players with actual talent? It's not as if the NBA is baseball or hockey. These guys, if they're actually legit players, only take a year or two to adjust to the league and start producing. Hell, I've already heard whispers of McCants being a bust because he's going into his 3rd year and hasn't done much despite the fact that last year was pretty much a write-off due to the knee. Mr. Robson already admitted that KG is well beyond the player that Jefferson is now or ever will be. Why not give this young core a chance WITH KG?
Lastly, and this is where the old-fashioned part will come in, I find it deplorable that we traded a sure-fire HOF'er, a former MVP, a top-50 player ever and the most important player in franchise history, against his will. As I said earlier, listening to his press conference and reading a few different articles, it's apparent that, despite the last few years, KG wanted to retire a Wolf. And he should've. I know loyalty and commitment are generally looked at as antiquated and treated with scorn in this day and age of "sports as a business," but if KG has already stuck with this team and its pathetic management through the worst times, he deserved the chance to play with the young kids now that there is light at the end of the tunnel.
And there was some before the big swap. I knew last season was going to flat out suck and I was correct. This summer though, I was ridiculously pumped and couldn't wait to see this team on the floor. I picked up the Wolves draft hat and was going to buy League Pass (I live in DC) and the new NBA video game. Now? Meh. My Wolves passion has been severely crushed. Call me fairweather or just a KG fan, but he's been on this team since I was 13, shortly before the time I really started to dig the Wolves. The two of them apart seems completely wrong to me and every picture of him with a Boston jersey or throwing out the first pitch is just another shock.
So, if you've made it to the end of these ramblings, congrats. You can now call me a naive, bleeding-heart homer. Whatever. I truly believe that this team would've been better off keeping KG until he retired. Now I worry the Wolves have given up their one bit of glory and doomed themselves to perpetual small-market mediocrity a la the Hawks.
I don't think anyone would agree with an assessment that the Wolves were just a few pieces away from competing again with Ticket. I've mentioned before that Glen has a business to run, and if your $20+ mil/year investment is going to walk away at the end of the season unless you improve, well...Corey Brewer and Juwan Howard are not enough. If we had let KG walk at the end of the season, we'd be approaching that dangerous "early years" territory, with no end in sight - picks owed to the Celts and Clips, salary tied up with guys like Troy, Jaric, and Blount.
By forcing this move, Taylor is being proactive and looking out for long-term interests, not to mention the value of putting a fresh product onto the floor. He's also bought out Troy (costly up front, but beneficial long-term), and is rumored to already be looking for an extension for Jefferson. We've even had offers for Troy, but for whatever reason (future $?) didn't take them, even though the loss of Troy and addition of ANYONE ELSE would have appeased Wolves faithful, at least for one season.
As for the actual team...someone else posted a comment about not drinking the Kool-Aid on McCants and only being moderately hopeful on Foye. I'm in the same boat with those two. I am VERY excited to see how Craig Smith handles his expanded role this year (hopefully it doesn't involve all six fouls every night!), and I hope we lock him up to a medium-to-long term deal sooner rather than later. While I'm also a little bummed regarding his short-term development (practicing against KG has to do wonders for anyone's game, right?), I think he can pick up some things from vets like Ratliff and Howard as well.
As for the fresh faces, I know about as much as anyone here, though I'm also worried about how they will mesh with the already-entrenched Davis-Blount administration. I like earlier suggestions of nabbing Foyle for Bliz (you've gotta invest in chemistry!), but Pretty Ricky will probably be around until mid-season, when a contender needs to make a move for a scorer (wouldn't it be hilarious to see him a Cav again, after he was shipped off for fear of tainting King James?).
Enough has been written on the pros of AJ (I'm sold on him), the potential of Green (low hoops IQ, which is difficult to mask/correct, even with a freakish vert), and the cons of Bassy Telfair (though he will be fun to watch if he gets any burn - we haven't had a flashy PG since Steph). Oh, and don't forget the youngest "intangibles" guy ever in Ryan Gomes, who sounds like a very nice young man...and anyone who draws comparisons to Craig Smith can't be all bad! And not to mention the draft picks...oh yes, the draft picks.
Of course, the other side of the coin is that some old Wolves are going to lose some playing time. I've been a big Trenton fan since he signed with us, but he's now only our best trade chip. I'd love to have him on this squad if he wants to stay, but I'd rather he go somewhere where he can get more minutes. I do see a continued role for Marko, not only because of his deal, but also because of his ballhandling, a skill we are collectively lacking at the moment.
Before this comment gets to Britt-proportions, I'll cut myself off. I'm giving the new team the benefit of the doubt. Yes, they're Celtics cast-offs. Yes, I'm upset about what McHale has done (how do we trade Wally and a first for Ricky, while they get Ray Allen??). Yes, I will miss watching KG here and I will always look fondly at the time we had him. And yes, I will always fantasize about ways to get him back in a Wolves uniform. But it's time to move on and cheer for a new team. Plenty of teams have won championships and garnered support without Garnett. We're going to have to prove we can be one of them. Not this year, probably not the year after that, but we'll compete again, I'm not worried about that.
As a league pass subscriber and obsessed b-ball fan (may I never lose my job becase of it) I got a chance to see Al Jefferson play about 8 or 9 games last year.
Al Jefferson can score down low. He can score against Tim Duncan and he will score against Greg Oden. The man has an unstopable hook shot. If you have not seen it, you have not seen true beauty. It is the equivalent of KGs turn around fade away, unblockable and (although much to our dismay, take it to the hole, KG!) just a great shot.
Of course, Al Jefferson being able to hit a hook shot and put in 18 points a game will not make the wolves a 35+ win team. KG did so many things that never show up in a box score, but their absence this season may show up in the win column.
I'd be thrilled if this team won 30 games next year! I'm guessing 10 to 25 wins (again a large range).
May we please get rid of Ricky Davis as soon as possible.
Britt is correct in that McHale's moves do seem to fit into a plan (I'll point out that his initial moves as a GM also seemed to fit around a plan). If Mchale is really sticking to the plan he must get rid of Davis before the season, not in february.
I just don't buy that Davis will become a leader. And if he becomes a leader because his contract is expiring, then he is not a leader anyway. If we don't plan on resigning him we should trade him now. He will damage the young players.
Thanks for the great post, Britt.
[I hate when I slip into "we" mode on the Wolves. Sigh]
Jeez, Britt, I gotta hand it to you. This posting had to have been at least 2x more engrossing than nearly all of the T-Wolves games I watched last year.
I'll admit I'm ambivalent about our medium-term trajectory (I am not entirely sold on McCants, yet, although I like the guy). But as long as the commentary stays this good, I think I can weather the storm.
Mike--
You don't want to be "over the top" but you compare Al Jefferson to Michael Olowokandi anyway. You denigrate Jefferson's stats because he played on a bad team and somebody had to score and rebound. Does that denigrate KG's stats the past three seasons as well then? You think Tim Duncan brought his A game on those February Tuesday nights in Minnesota when he was being guarded by, and guarding, Mark Blount?
You call the collection of players we have received, "random." Well, we received a power forward/center, a point guard, a small forward/power forward, a small forward/two guard, and a crippled center bringing a lot of cap relief. Plus two draft picks. What would you rather, three points guards and two power forwards?
I understand people are angry that Kevin Garnett is gone. But you guys have to do better than this. Explain to me how this team isn't better positioned for the future now than it was a few days ago.
Midlife--
You say the press doesn't buy tickets, the implication being that the general public won't support this team. Okay, I never said they would. But what you conveniently don't mention is that the general public wasn't supporting the KG-led Wolves for next season either, and that carried a far larger price tag than the current edition.
You ask me to look back at the old Tony Campbell teams and think of a realistic win projection, then ask if this team comes close. Well, I don't have to think of projections: During Campbell's three-year stint, the Wolves won 22, 29, and 15 games. I just got through saying I thought next year's team would win between 15 and 30. Obviously I think they're comparable.
You say you had more confidence in the Campbell teams because they had more desire to fill all five positions instead of the 2 and the 3. Al Jefferson, who plays the 4 or the 5, is better than any 4 or 5 from those first three Wolves teams, and is younger right now than every member of the Wolves starting lineup during those first three years, including rookies Pooh Richardson, Felton Spencer and Luc Longley. I happen to believe Corey Brewer will be a better pro than Pooh, Felton and Luc were also.
For that matter, those expansion era Wolves featured Campbell, age 27 at the time; Sam Mitchell, 26; Tod Murphy, 26; Sid Lowe, 29; Ty Corbin, 27, Scott Roth, 26, and Pooh, 23.
The current Wolves include Jefferson, 22; Brewer, 21; McCants 23 next month; Foye, 24 next month; Gomes, 25 next month, Craig Smith, 24; Chris Richard, 22.
Which group would you argue has more raw talent? Which group would you argue has more room to improve?
"Not one word about how this team will actually play together" you say. I guess you missed the paragraphs where I talked about how this group is a much much better fit on McHale's preference to pound the ball into low-post scorers, penetrate to the hoop, and crash the boards for offensive rebounds.
Bashing McHale and Taylor for trading Garnett is low hanging fruit that gets exactly nothing accomplished besides a little bloodlust at this stage of the game. You may recall my first question in the City Pages cover story interview with Taylor 18 months ago--"Why didn't you fire McHale?" Or the column where I called him a lame duck nearly two years ago. Or the column where I called his firing of Casey a scapegoating last gasp. Or the cover story where I flatly announced that KG would never win a ring in Minnesota.
No, I don't quite understand why McHale still has a job. And I think he failed to take advantage of one of the greatest players in NBA history. Now do you want to tell me how this is even remotely qualifies as an original, interesting take on August 2, 2007?
What is interesting to me is that the guy I've been bashing has had three pretty good drafts in a row. That those drafts and the trade he just made point toward a philosophy of play he has always preached, one directly at odds with the two most influential figures in the Wolves' past success--KG and Flip Saunders.
Finally, if you sincerely think Taylor and McHale are undergoing a "sudden lack of criticism," I wonder how you missed Jim Souhan, Mark Stein, or Steve Aschburner--the latter two linked in the comments section to my previous post.
I've got to side with midlife here. Unless there are big, big changes still in store before the season starts I can't see any reason to be optimistic about watching this nearly random collection of early 20 somethings and underachieving vets play.
Everything people who like this trade say centers around Jefferson being an absolute stud. I know I'm not the first person to bring up this point, but are his stats from last year really that impressive considering he played on a pitiful team? Someone has to score points and grab some boards, there aren't any shut outs in the NBA. Plus, elite western conference teams looked past Boston last year so examining his stats against teams from the west doesn't do much for me. Duncan isn't bringin his A game to Boston on a Tuesday night in January last year, let's face it.
Not to be over-the-top here, but Michael Olowakandi's numbers during his last season in LA were pretty damn impressive too. As for the rest of these Boston guys, expecting them to become big time players in the next three to four years is nothing more than wishful thinking. Green is an elite athlete, but think about how many crazy good athletes have been drafted in the last four years. I haven't seen anything to make him stand out, other than one helluva dunk during last year's all-star weekend.
As much as I love and will miss KG (looking forward to reading Britt's tribute, and may need a kleenex or two), I am starting warm up to being freed from the short-termism associated with trying to rebuild on the fly around an aging superstar.
These are not the Tony Campbell Wolves. We have five young lotto level picks, two more solid young 4s (maybe three if Richard pans out), and two big expiring contracts.
Hell yes we are going to lose a lot of games this year. Yes, we need to make roster moves. But how can Wolves fans not see better days ahead?
It's curious to say you see a light at the end of the tunnel when that at least 10 paragraphs (in the short novel which was the trade breakdown) are negative. Even the positive ones have not one word about how this team will actually play together. McHale and Taylor got what they wanted, in a sudden lack of criticism, but the press doesn't buy tickets, and I don't understand why people would. I see reason to have felt more confident in the Tony Campbell wolves than in this ragged bunch. At least the early team had a coach with some track record, and a desire to fill all five positions on the court, rather than the 2 and 3 over and over and over again.
Look back at that old team, and think of a realistic win projection. Does this new wolves team come close?
Although Kevin Garnett was nothing short of a great teammate on the court, I also look forward to the idea of the Timberwolves actually playing as a team. Certainly the offense will run through Jefferson now, but in order for them to have any success, they will have to work together.
Whether that will happen or not is months away from being known, but with--as Britt mentioned--a nice core of good, solid citizens, the potential is there.