I'll get to the Twins later this month, I promise, hopefully in tandem with Brauer and Zellar but also to talk about whether Terry Ryan ought to go for it or punt.
Meanwhile, this board is delightfully full of Wolves fiends. I owe you my two cents on some of the things you've been talking about.
First of all, there is no way you can play Craig Smith at the 3. Under the new rules, he actually is better suited as a 5, although his natural position is as an undersized power forward. Does anyone else remember poor Smith trying to guard Vlad Rad, who killed him from outside during that second collapse against the Lakers? Shedding 14 pounds doesn't make Smith quick enough to play a swingman out on the open floor, and anytime a Wolves opponent saw the opportunity that's what would happen.
Used right, Smith is a valuable piece. And paired with the right pivot man--Yao Ming would be ideal--he'd be a solid starter. Yes he works well with Garnett, and yes there are definitely periods of the game when they should play together. But the matchups have to be right: the flow, the foul situation, and what you've got as your next sub rotation, are all factors.
If Smith continues to improve, and also gets the benefit of the doubt on more charging calls this season, I can see him averaging between 20-30 minutes a game, but the time would fluctuate game to game.
I don't want to open this can of worms, but I am not entirely convinced KG is here to start the season.
I think McCants is generally going to be streaky. That's certainly been his m.o. the first two seasons, and the key is to feed the beast when he is going off, and to have him have enough maturity and the coaches and teammates enough clout and sway to stifle him, either by ball-sharing or Shaddy-benching, when he is in a funk. If he plays the kind of defense he showed last season, the rope on his offensive ego should be longer. Bottom line, he is a bigger wild card than Foye--less of a sure thing to be solid, but with a higher upside--and now is the time to play wild cards and find out if they're aces or jokers.
Brewer is a great pick for this franchise.
Great team attitude, and the kind of virtues--defense, athleticism, versatility--that really fit into any scheme or system. Richard is a smart choice for the second round. Rip McHale all you want--and I do a regular basis--but that's three pretty good drafts in a row.
It is very hard to talk about this franchise without seeing what other shoes drop. The braintrust has made no secret of the fact that there are other deals on the table, and there are a lot of teams in flux right now, either stocking up for the future and trying to win now. But one thing that can be said: The best argument for why Randy Wittman is here is that he will demand better chemistry in the locker room and on the court this season. Last season he essentially benched Trenton Hassell for attitude problems, then the squad went out and drafted a better Hassell. Fine, I like Hassell, but am willing to concede he's not so valuable now. Bujt what about Davis and Blount? What they did to the team and their own reputations--not to mention Wittman--last season is not easily forgotten. If one or both is still on the roster come opening day, there needs to be a dramatically different dynamic at play. Otherwise, the Wittman rehire and the stand pat on corrosive chemistry will stink to high heaven.


I agree with savvyparker, though I'm not holding my breath for it to happen.
I read that T-Hud's agent is claiming that the Wolves have lowballed their buyout offer and it sounds like they are seeking something close to the full $19M left on his contract, even though the final year and $6.6M is not guaranteed.
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that's because T-Hud and his agent know that he has zero value as far as the rest of the league is concerned.
news of hudson's contract being negotiated for buyout trumps anything the referees could ever do. farewell party at nba city!
Patrick,
I find it hard to believe you really believe that. You've always appeared to be a knowledgeable and rational NBA fan. You should really read Simmons's article, becasue he makes some really valid points.
This is a *BIG* story. THese allegations don't come along very often and when they do, someone is going to have some explaining to do. I'm am sure you know of the best hitter of all time in Baseball? Pete Rose? the guy bet on games when he was a manager. He always bet on his team winning. Most hits of any player all time over his career as a player. He, rightfully, has a lifetime ban from baseball and is excluded from entering the Hall of Fame. This is arguably the best player of all-time.
What we have here is a referee accused of betting on the outcome of games he was officiating in. This is not just about the over-under. He was the referee in Game 3 of the SPurs-suns series. Regardless, of whether or not you believe, he affected the outcome of that game allowing the SPurs to win, the doubt over the possbility the SUns should have beaten the eventual champions will forever be in the minds of Suns fans and all future fans of losing teams in the NBA. No one can legitimately be confident of the outcome of any future NBA game anymore until the NBA makes serious changes and restores this lost integrity.
The NBA's got some serious explaining to do and this story will grow and grow as the NBA season comes upon us and all the way through this coming year.
If players are involved it'll damage the league, but fans just don't care about referees. Are we supposed to be outraged that the over-under got screwed up on a few games? The NBA obviously needs to do a better job of monitoring their employees, but it doesn't appear that this meaningfully affected anything but gambling spreads.
If this weren't the slow season for sports reporting this would be a page five story.
Like I said, I am bored with this, so I won't comment further.
Bored(?)
This is barely getting started
Bill Simmons
Patrick,
I agree with you, but for different reasons. Sport's fans seem to have short memories and, once the story blows over, they will come back in droves. But, in the meantime, this story will continue to gain legs and will be a blow to the NBA in the short-run. How big a blow and how long the short-run will be will depend on how far-reaching the betting goes.
This just reported in the New York Times
The New York Daily News, citing unidentified law enforcement sources, reported Sunday that Donaghy will cooperate with authorities and possibly name other officials and players involved in the betting scandal.
Maybe and maybe not, but if more officials and/or players are named by Donaghy this will be a major public relations disaster for the NBA.
I think the Tim Donaghy thing is overblown, and I am already bored with it.
Of course it is not good for the league, but unless it turns out that more referees were involved, the impact will be very limited.
Maybe I am in the minority, but one crooked ref has absolutely no influence on my opinion of the game and my eagerness to watch hoops.
Furthermore, I really don't see this story drawing much interest outside of the ESPN junkie crowd, and they are going to watch hoops no matter what- it's what they do.
It's not as exciting as speculating on trades and the development of our young Wolves, but I would be interested on your take, Britt of the accusations against Tim Donaghy.
This is exactly what Taylor and the Wolves do not need in this market and in competition with the Tubby led Gophers and the Wild. Wolve's fans have enough reasons to stay away, but the potential fallout - depending on the accusations and how wide-spread his betting on game's may have been - from fans losing even more respect for the integrity of NBA B-ball might mean that the Target Center is nearly empty to start the season. At least we can expect that the Ticket prices will remain cheap. What we might not be able to expect is that Fan's will come and fill up the Target Center if the Wolves are back in the playoff hunt.
The Tim Donaghy gambling allegations is the last thing that the NBA, and in particular the smaller market teams like the Wolves, needs right now.
I know Jason Fleming, who wrote the Hoopsworld article, and he knows what he's talking about.
I'd say to take it pretty seriously as they now are rather strict on who they hire and their writers are now credentialed by the teams they cover.
So, keep an eye out.
I don't know how seriously to take Hoopsworld.com but I thought this was an interesting "outsider" perspective on the Wolves after Summer League.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_22821.shtml
Paul - If I had to choose one guy that damages the Wolves the most, Ricky Davis would be that guy (Blount is a very close second). To me, he's simply not playing up to his potential - he has the athleticism. His game seems to be "play just well enough", I don't see much fire in his belly when it comes to team goals.
On the court, Ricky's a slacker, especially on defense. Where I used to excoriate Szczerbiak for his inability to play defense I now blast Ricky for his unwillingness. And since, for whatever reason, he plays the big minutes, this really hurt the Wolves. Further, his offense is mostly taking the quick shot, almost half of those early in the clock. It's painfully obvious to me that he's giving MN fans the fluff job - which reminds me of my moniker for him: Quickie Ricky.
Personality-wise, both on and off the court, I don't see Davis as the kind of role model that Foye / McCants / Brewer need to have around. Or even the veteran Blount. And do you think Ricky is doing everything he can to help Jaric?
This is how I look at it. We should start Foye, Mccants, Brewer, Smith, and KG. Glenn Taylor told Kg that we were going to go young and this is the best line-up to do so with. Im almost positive we will make at least one more trade this off season to allow us to play the young gunz. We could have somethin special in a year or so. The more these players play together the better we will be.
-Randy Foye- will be a solid starter, he may struggle at times but who doesn't, he can create his own shot anytime and get to the line. He didnt play point in college but after a year and a half of nba point gourd he should be alot better. He's a descent passer and will also improve on that. Will play alot of minutes with no reall back up point guard. Needs to learn how to defend pick and roll.
-Rashad Mccants- With the changing of his number from 1 to 32 is the start of a new mccants. He showed some talent at summerleague but still needs work on his shot but i think that will come since he could shoot all through college and his rookie year. He also can get own shot and get to the foul line. He will work with foye and brewer great cuz hes a slasher and brewer is a great team guy. Has become a solid defender.
-Corey Brewer- He's got the second best team attitude on the team behind KG and will help enormously with the chemistry of this team. Great at running the floor and a terrific defender. needs to improve his shot but hes not out there to put up 30 points hes a glue guy a great personality and can rebound great. Doesn't need the ball in his hand to change the game.
-Craig Smith- Hes a little bit under sized but makes up for it with his skill. He has proven he can score down low needs top improve range. He's an average defender with a knack for the ball can rebound well. He is also a hustle guy which all the young guys are. Can play solid minutes in this league.
-Kg- Everyone knows he does everything well. He said he wants to teach the young gunz to play the right way so thats encouraging to me. I would like to see him go inside a little more and get to the line.
The Bench
-Juwann Howard- will be a great resever to give Kg and Smith a rest. a vet the understand the game and can still get it done on the court.
-Ricky Davis- needs to accept his role of coming off the bench and be a team player. we all kniow he can score and could be a great second unit guy. if hes not traded.
-Marko Jaric - Inconsistent but has proven he can defend very well. shoot ok andi salso a hustle guy.
-Trenton Hassell- will play reduced minutes with the arrival of brewer and will also have to accept his role. if not traded.
-Troy hudson- If in the right systm i think he could play well he can shoot great but just needs to shot alot. hes a streaky shooter and jsut needs to be let loose. horrible defender.
-Blount- a center in a small forwards body. and descet back up center but get paid to much.
-the rest will be non factors unless Chris Richards turns out to be last years craig smith
Interesting idea Nate.
Davis and Jaric for Thomas and Daniels would be a steal. Not only would we get players at positions where we lack depth, but we'd be cleaning up redundancies which are causing the chemistry issues you discuss. Double Win!
Makes a ton of sense.
So, I'm posting very frequently, apparently I have nothing better to do than think about the T-wolves season that is 3 months away....
1. Steve: I don't see how Foye and Shaddy play that much together with Ricky and Trenton still on the team. If Ricky is at SF, with Foye and McCants in the backcourt, that leaves much less playing time for Brewer. Davis played 37 minutes a game last year and will not react well to playing fewer minutes. He's already made statements saying that he'd never return to being a guy off the bench and how those days in his career are over. With Ricky still on the team, it's either McCants or Brewer who are seeing at most 10 minutes a night (unless we go very small). Of course, we could relegate Hassell to 10 minutes a night while playing Davis 37 minutes, further reinforcing to our young core the need to play with heart at both ends of the court.
1b. These playing time issues will lead to chemistry problems on even the best team, and are especially likely to lead to issues on this team. Jaric already complained last year about lack of playing time and Hudson is already demanding a trade. Hassell is pretty quiet but how will teammates feel about seeing a guy who plays good defense and makes smart decisions on the court relegated to the end of the bench so that Ricky Davis can hustle ahead for a breakaway dunk but not hustle back on defense? No amount of tough love from Wittman is going make Davis, Jaric, Hudson, or Hassell happy on the bench. This is a player's league and you need to make the players happy. Will McCants be happy on the bench, his chance for a contract extension slipping away with each minute on the bench? Will KG still love the T-wolves and want to exercise that option as the chemistry problems boil over?
1c. Sure, this is pessimistic, but it's the reality on a team still busting at the seams with players 6-4 to 6-7.
2. I just read again today that Washington is desperate to move Etan Thomas and Antonio Daniels. [Why? To clear cap space, both are signed through 2009/2010 and the Wizards need to resign Jamison and Arenas next year]. These are two solid players. The wolves could easily trade Jaric and Davis or Blount and Davis to Washington for these players and a draft pick (lottery protected 1st round or second round). Either deal provides Washington with cap relief (Davis's expiring deal) which they really, really need. The wolves get rid of Davis and either Jaric (freeing up more time for Brewer and McCants) or Blount (chemistry issues). Getting rid of Jaric rids the Wolves of their only guaranteed contract for 2010/11, freeing up more money to resign our young players. This is the way to rebuild, with solid character guys willing to do dirty work.
2b. According to media sources, the main offers for Thomas and Daniels are from Miami, who is willing to unload Antoine Walker but not much else and wants Juan Navarro (a european star) in return. The wolves can beat that deal easily.
3. The wolves need an organizational mission. That mission should have two unwavering goals
a) a roster with solid character
b) financial sanity by 2010
Every single move they make should somehow move them toward these two goals. It's quick fixes and risky upgrades with little thought to the future of the franchise that have screwed things up so much.
Thanks.
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Ricky Davis may be immature in the locker room, and doesn't seem all there all the time. However, he is not selfish when on the court. He doesn't jack up a tone of shots, and he is a very good passer than shares the ball. There aren't alot of two guards that average almost 5 assists.
I don't think we should "demand" trades. Only make trades if they make sense. The Howrd deal did make sense.
I like the way McHale has handled the KG talks. He's learned from his past mistakes. He is no longer willing to take bad contracts, and didn't give in by taking the Odom/Bynum deal.
Trading Davis is not a must. I only trade him if it's a really good deal for the Wovles. If not, I'm perfectly happy letting the contract expire.
Some unfounded (and waaaaay too premature) pessimistic thoughts brought a smile to my face:
If the Wolves were 8 or 9 games out of the hunt with 20+ games left, "KG and the Kids" would be fun to watch with Brewer taking Jaric's 05-06 role. The Foye and Shaddy backcourt somehow reminds me of the Pierce-Walker vibe from a few years ago. One game, they'll combine for 11-45 shooting in a Wolves loss and the next game they'll both drop 30. Regardless, we have a two year window to do some damage in the NW....after that, it belongs to Mr. Oden and Mr. Durant.
Patrick,
Nice trade idea for Pryzy. The only bad thing, however, is that Joel's contract runs through 2010/11, making him and Marco Jaric the only players that year (on the wolves) with guaranteed deals for 7.4 and 7.6 million respectively (Joel's is a player option).
Maybe cap space is overrated, but with our supposedly promising youngsters aiming for contract extensions, I would want to limit my commitments to questionable players that far in the future.
please let us rid ourselves of Davis before the season starts.
OK...here's a few roster moves the Wolves could/should explore...
Mad Dog and Hassell to Portland for Pryzy (contracts work per ESPN trade machine). We get a Center who's now expendable to POR, POR gets two solid, good character vets with ok contracts. Hassell's perimeter D fills a need.
Sign PJ Brown, Dale Davis or Earl Boykins to a short term deal. Addressing either big guy or vet PG needs.
Trade Ricky Davis mid season for a good, but expendable player on a team looking to cut salary and/or rebuild.
There may even be a big dollar player out there mid-season who we could pry off somebody for Davis and Blount or Jaric. You never know.
8 MAN ROTATION
KG
Foye
Howard
Jaric
Brewer
Smith
McCants
Blount
If Davis is on the roster, I'd put him on the inactive list. Maddog would get limited playing time and Hassell/ THud would have to wait for someone in the rotation to play himself out of a spot or an injury to get playing time.
Backup point guard also has to come along that is a better option than THUD. This backup would probably also be in the 8-man rotation pushing McCants or Jaric deeper on the bench depending on who is playing better.
I think we can expect one more trade this summer for the Wolves. Brewer and Howard are solid adds. James is a good deletion.
I'm basically with Patrick - some package combo of Hassell-Davis-Jaric would be nice. Getting someone to bite on Hudson is a pipe dream.
Marko is longterm, high buck - he'd be toughest to move of the three. Hassell is long term, but relatively low buck ($4-5 MM) and Davis is a $6.8 MM cap relief asset. I think we can get a pretty good piece for Hassell / Davis.
Here's a tidbit I think is interesting: I did a survey at KFAN Rube Chat asking regulars to post their Wolves 8-man rotation with no trades allowed. Five guys were basically in everybody's top 8: KG, McCants, Foye, Smith and Brewer. None but KG makes more than $2.7 MM this year.
The story in the Star Tribune today (with Glen Taylor) says
"More changes are possible. Kevin McHale, the Wolves vice president of basketball operations, has said several times he would like to continue changing his roster via trade. Tuesday, Taylor said that process was proving more difficult than anticipated. Still, the Wolves owner hopes at least one more trade is possible."
This really dashed my hopes for even a modest roster re-haul.
Also, Ricky Davis recently said (rochester, post-bulletin):
"We had talent on paper," said 6-foot-7 starting guard Ricky Davis, who was in Rochester on Tuesday morning as part of the U.S. Bank/Minnesota Timberwolves Summer Caravan. Davis was joined by teammate Mark Madsen, assistant general manager Fred Hoiberg and a handful of other Wolves employees in putting on a youth basketball clinic at the Rochester YMCA.
"But it is tough to win when you don't have chemistry," Davis continued. "We just have to keep trying to put the right guys together out there. We also need all of us to put our egos aside and play together. That's something that has to get started from Day 1 of (training camp)."
Ugh. I don't believe a thing RD says about putting his ego aside on the basketball court. he's been a selfish player too long for anyone to believe that he is sincere.
But, Taylor's quote about trades being difficult and Davis's presence on the T-wolves summer caravan leads me to believe that we have another year of Ricky Davis in store and that we might actually extend his contract as well. A contract extension for Ricky Davis would really be the nail-in-the-coffin for me as a serious T-wolves fan.
So, I don't count on any trades being made and I especially don't count on Ricky Davis being traded. But, hey, I guess I'm Mr. Negative today.
What can you do if no one wants Ricky and his antics?
or,
Trenton and his contract, Blount and his attitude/contract and Thud and his contract?
I want a trade. I demand a trade, but for the life of me, I cannot figure out what team would improve its standing by acquiring any or these players, much less give up something of value we can use. No way we get a first round draft pick from any of these liabilies/redundancies and the only plausible scenario is we get someone else's garbage.
I'm not going to argue the definition of the word "busy." Not even close to being the point of the article.
Stephen,
I'd hardly call one trade (for Juwan Howard no less) and making our draft picks "a very busy summer". The Wolves can't afford another lazy summer, especially since we are keeping KG.
Our roster has definitely improved, but we need to make another move or two to keep the faithful on board.
The Minnesota Timberwolves have already had a very busy summer. They have traded away Mike James to the Houston Rockets for veteran post player Juwan Howard, they drafted Corey Brewer and Chris Richard from the two-time NCAA champion Florida Gators and the team just finished summer league play in Las Vegas.
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Midlife, I think the argument from the wolves' brass is that there is no substitute for playing experience in the development of young players.
They want Foye, Smith, Brewer, and McCants playing together so that they continue to improve and learn how to play together.
Training camp is so short now (what is it, like 2 weeks, maybe) that this is a good chance for coaches to watch and critique players and for players to work on certain aspects of the game.
There really is extremely little practice time in the NBA (the short length of training camp is actually mandated in the collective bargaining agreement).
Has anyone heard anything new on free agent signings or trades?
From what I have seen, Wolves haven't even been mentioned as players in any of the free agent action. And, the list of available players is shrinking rapidly.
Hopefully, we can turn some combo of Hassell, Davis, Mad Dog, and Jaric into another big or vet PG, but I am starting to wonder.
I was wondering if someone can tell me the purpose of summer league for incumbent players. For McCants, Foye and Smith, who will already have big minutes when the season starts, it would seem the slim benefits of playing playground style (near zero D & limitless fouls) would be outweighed by the injury risk. The only way it would make sense is if they are working on a specific aspect of their game (like a AAA twins changeup) but I don't get that sense during the games.
Can anyone enlighten me?
Thanks for the reminder, Moroni,
I got an email from the Mad Ripp today, but kind of neglected it as something he was promoting. I didn't realize he had a column and I've always loved his writing.
I wish I still shared his passion for music, but age has tempered my ability to sit with crowds of sweating people in dimly lit venues late into the night. Music is too cyber for my tastes, these days and nothing sounds organic - as if it comes from a specific place. Just recycled sounds and beats mixing in the vast e-space we tap into when we're bored and searching only to be overwhelmed by information manipulated by the technically sophisticated. We learn nothing about ourselves or the place we live, but are impressed by technical abilities none-the-less.
Music used to come from the ground. It was rooted in place. It was universal to anyone else who walked barefoot somewhere -anyplace - in the world. Music now is rooted in a virtual place, which really isn't a place at all - its myspace. And, myspace, is a testament to the ego seeking gratification from virtual visitors looking for other lonesome souls. Music should be a testament to a real place and music rarely is these days.
Woah, that just sort of slipped out. Not much to talk about on the Wolves since I can't get too excited about summer leagues. Britt, I hope you can write a column or two for Reveille on some Jazz shows you've taken in or Musician you've interviewed.
I saw the Memphis game and despite being in the Noah camp on draft day, I was really impressed with Brewer. He took everything the defense gave him but didn't force anything. Got to the hoop several times by squirming through the lane. His offense was more fluid than I had expected.
I think Foye will be a bit inconsistent throughout his career. He's never going to shoot for a great percentage because he doesn't take a bunch of high percentage shots. When his shot is falling coming off the pick and roll, he's going to score some points. When it's not going down his line in the boxscore will be ugly.
Great new TC music site for anyone interested-
http://www.reveillemag.com/
Sorry if that's not cool, Britt.
Here's my thoughts on the past two summer league games:
SATURDAY VS GRIZZLIES:
Unfortunately the game started off in the middle of the 2nd quarter, even though I had DVR'ed the entire thing... so the program guide was screwed up. Means I missed Foye's awesome 16 point first quarter, but I saw highlights.
- Foye looked really good. Looked comfortable running the offense and his shooting was deadly. That was the type of performance I expected from the former summer league MVP and he delivered. Hope this translates to the regular season.
- McCants looked pretty bad. He doesn't look very quick and his game ain't tight. 26 minutes of play and he goes 2-5 for 7 points and SIX turnovers?! Ugh... he's not gonna be a starter anytime soon. I hope we can include him in a trade with Ricky Azzle for someone. I'm still not even closely to being impressed with McCants.
- Brewer looked studly. He's gonna be a player in this league for many years. I'm sooooooooooo glad we drafted him. He looks so tall and fluid out there. He's awesome on the break in transition... something we've been lacking. Also, he was slashing to the hoop and had some AWESOME dimes. I wouldn't say his defense was "stifling" but it was above average. He was honestly doing it all last night. His outside shooting still needs a little work, but still he had 18 points, 11 boards, and 4 assists. He was getting points slashing to the hoop and on free throws. It was a very welcome sight.
- Smith looked dominant as usual. Should be expected from an NBA player playing significant minutes during the regular season. That's what we should be getting from McCants and Foye as well, being that they are playing against totally inferior competition (in the summer league, for the most part.)
- Freakin Bowen actually looked pretty good to tell ya the truth. Good around the basket and he was hustling and rebounding. He looks like a dork though.
- Schenscher sucks horribly. He was the last of the guys that had significant minutes. He won't make the team, wow he's bad.
SUNDAY VS SUNS:
Didn't see the game, but judging by the boxscore our guys (except Craig Smith) have been maddeningly inconsistent.
Last game I went off about Foye owning and McCants sucking a big one. Well, looks like some role reversal here.
- McCants somehow had 32 points and was 15-19 at the line. Amazing for him.
- Foye on the other hand only had 12 points shooting 4-14 in 37 minutes of action. A far cry from his 28 points Saturday when he was shooting the lights out. Also, he only had 4 assists, 5 turnovers, and SEVEN fouls. That's terrible.
- Brewer only had 5 points on 1-5 shooting, but he also had 10 boards and 7 assists. His all-around game is awesome. I'll take it.
- Craig Smith was dominant as usual. I expect nothing less.
Levi,
Richard is playing most of his minutes as a center in Vegas. He is seeing fairly limited minutes (20 minutes/game), but is rebounding fairly well and scoring a few points. Granted, it's much easier to be a 6'9'' center in the summer league than the regular season, but he appears to be doing OK.
I can't imagine, however, that he'll see more than 10-15 a game off the bench. He seems like a more gifted Mad Dog to me.
We had no cap space so we couldn't have even signed Wallace when he was a free agent.
didn't Llyod Bensten once say: I knew Ben Wallace, and Chris Richard is no Ben Wallace.
Hmm. The official TWolves nba.com roster lists Chris Richard as a forward. I thought he was a natural center, along the lines of Ben Wallace. From the sour grapes department, I believe that the Wolves blew their chances by (apparently) neglecting to pursue Wallace when he became a free agent - his play fits KG's style perfectly. Since Richard is both slightly taller and slightly heavier than Big Ben, I was guardedly happy that the Wolves took the chance on him.
I admit to not watching the Summer League games - how is Chris Richard being deployed in Vegas?
I'm fairly set against Smith to Barkley comparisons but I will allow this. It's not so devastating to play poor defense if you can really make a team suffer in other areas. Barkley was a horrible defender. too. He was short when he was in position, but it never seemed important to get into position. The leaner, faster Smith might be enough to start getting other teams in foul trouble. With KG, Smith and Howard rotation in the PF/C spots, and Brewer at the 3, we may have our first rebounding front line since KG was playing SF.
OMG!! Thanks Britt for the thread again!!
Nice to have some cool insight with the season around the corner.
But I do have to propose a question to you-
Seeing as Portland was eager to get rid of the poor attitude of Zach Randolph; as not to taint Greg Oden, do you think it would be prudent for the Wolves to get rid of Ricky Davis as not to infect him with some loser no defense, play when you want to, type mentality? Or do you think Brewer to be smart enough not to listen to Ricky?
Also, I too have been kinda hopeful to see Craig Smith play some Small forward too. But many including you Britt have kinda shed some valuable light as to why he woulnd't be a good fit, and why he might work.
But his baskettball IQ is so heady that it makes arm chair sports fans like me to want him to start.. I kinda laugh at myself when I stand back and look at some of my fanciful ideas... but dang.. I like Craig Smith's play!
Lastly, any word on the Artest thing? Free agents...? Youngsters making a mark in the summer league?
Thanks again guys!!!
P.S.
Thank you Stephen that was cool to read about Foye. I enjoyed it and thought it added quite a bit of thought into my daily Wolves thoughts and day dreams...
smith and richards are a great platoon of bruisers to play alongside kg. i can only hope smith's leaner self makes for a shorter blount leash.
brewer's size and d allow the wolves to play smith 25 a night but i'll bet his fouls will keep him closer to 15.
speaking of bangers: etan thomas has been a train wreck in washington since the jordan years -- and why would they want to rid themselves of antonio daniels? do they have another stable backcourt player besides gilbert arenas?
a trade of thud or blount would be a sure sign of the apocalypse. they're here til they die or get bought out -- has taylor ever expressed an aversion to this hallmark of bad franchises? this pastime of bottom feeders? steve francis' recent availability, aside... if they can't get rid of thud, will they consider buying him out before training camp?
hassell and ricky are tradable. is portland even talking about pryz being available? is trading trenton for him too obvious? i even heard doogie saying something about this on fox. (is there a 3 point shooter available somewhere in there?)
does grant hill's signing seem like insurance for trading shawn marion somewhere to get kg? why is kg speculation alive and well nationally, but dead locally? the whole golden state won't shut up.
are dennis johnson or joe dumars too much to hope for in comparing rashad or randy? (vernon maxwell?) 16, 4 and 4. play d and that's all they gotta do.
are robert horry and scottie pippen too much to hope for with brewer? obviously, but...
There's no right answer, Nate. Anything can happen with a rebuild. Two things to note: 1.) Do you really trust the Wolves front office to get something of value in return for KG? 2.) Is a 5+ year rebuild w/o KG any better than a 5+ year rebuild where we get to enjoy another season or two of one of the best PFs of all time?
I've come to peace about KG being traded, but right now I'd say it's much more important to get rid of Thud and Ricky.
Craig Smith ought to be a beast in the summer league and he ought to work his ass off. That said, he's never been the problem. What more could a franchise want from a 2nd round pick. Hoping for a Barkley-like player to emerge in the regular season is too much to ask, but a minimum of 20 minutes a night of solid ball is now in sight.
Brewer is a great pick. I would even say that his upside is greater than Foye or McCants, while his downside is not as low because he can defend. Brewer will win multiple defensive player of the year awards before he's through. And unlike the nutbag Artests or the one-way play of Bowen, Brewer could eventually have a leg up on both of them.
Market size could matter, even with a cap and tax. But Taylor has always spent the money and got penalized when he tried to sign Joe Smith to a secret max deal. The key in making bold moves is salary cap space and right now there are five or six franchises with meaningful cap space.
I hope McFail does not utilize our mid-level for a long term contract. Instead, I hope he can get trade either Davis or Hassel for youth or picks or size (Pryzbilla). And I'd be amazed if he could shed the dead, worthless weight of Blount or THud. Perhaps THud should issue another trade demand since there's so many suitors who want to pay him 20 milliion dollars over the next three years.
While the Chicago rebuilding example is informative, it's important to remember that Chicago did not trade Michael Jordan, he simply left.
Now, who knows what a Jordan trade would have brought in return (the apocalypse?), but a KG trade would bring something in return. This puts the wolves in a better position (if they can trade KG, as opposed to him just walking at the end of this season).
Also, Chicago had little to no young talent when Jordan walked. The team was built around Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman at that point. The wolves have a better foundation than Chicago had when Jordan & company left.
Yes, it would still be a long rebuilding process (especially with two first round draft picks promised to other teams!!), but with some level of front office skill (?) the process would not take as long as it did in Chicago.
I was in Chicago during the Jerry Krause rebuild attempts and it wasn't pretty. I think I've stated it here before, but the parallels between those Bulls teams and the current situation in Minnesota are a little too similar for comfort: sketchy front office known for episodes of unwarranted smugness; coaching staff with no track record of developing talent; unbalanced, bloated roster; sketchy characters on the team.
That said, two huge incidents without a doubt delayed the Bulls' success:
1) Tremendous display of hubris on Krause's part when he traded away Elton Brand--who already had shown he had what it took to be a key cog--for the #2 overall pick, aka high-schooler Tyson Chandler. The Bulls are still looking for someone who can score down low, while Chandler figures to come into his own in a different uniform.
2) Jay Williams--himself a #2 overall pick if I recall-- wrecked his legs in a motorcycle accident following his rookie year.
The Bulls are interesting because, over this past decade, they simutaneously demonstrate rebuilds gone both good and bad. There's the dumb decisions/dumb luck listed above, and then there's the sound franchise we know today. (It was interesting listening to current GM/then-team-radio broadcastor John Paxson on air during those early Chandler/Curry/Jamal Crawford days.)
The most impressive thing about them nowadays, IMO, is any schmoe can see they have a plan in terms of how they play, who they play, how they approach things. Everything they do seems to unwaveringly fall into line for them. And it's worked rather well.
Could the Wolves display the same broad sense of vision and cohesion, as well as the discipline to keep to it? I'm not sure.
Regarding market size, I'd point out the only headline free agent the Bulls have taken in is Ben Wallace, hardly a marquee type player. Clearing cap space for a wise team should be about giving yourself enough opportunity to keep your own without needing to ask your owner to extend some extra generosity, or to keep yourself in play should a good trade opportunity come your way.
Midlife,
The fact that Garnett wasn't dealt before the draft significantly increases the likelihood that he's stays. There really don't seem to be any offers out there that would entice the Wolves to move him. As long as he doesn't demand a trade (and hopefully he'd do it behind closed doors, if it happens), odds favor keeping him.
I was as excited as anyone about the possibility of two more lotto picks, but another season of KG is a nice thought too.
The improvement and maturation of the young core, the addition of Brewer and Howard, the addition by subtraction of the awful, bitchy Mike James...there are some good reasons for hope.
Now if we could just add a defensive center (Pryzy?!), I think we are back in the hunt.
Another thing about the Bulls rebuilding: After Jordan-Pippen-Jackson departed, the team failed to win more than 21 games for four straight years (tho one was the abbreviated lockout season) and followed that up with years of 30 and 23 wins before breaking through with a 47-35 mark and their first playoff performance in six years.
In other words, for a full six years the Bulls didn't enjoy a season as "successful" as the last three have been for the Wolves. Oldtimers will remember what that's like--The Wolves didn't hit 30 wins once during their first seven seasons in the NBA. One person changed that. Kevin Garnett.
It's strange to be so confident KG is staying after being so sure he was leaving. I think we're all in hope mode right now. Hoping that in the near future we could see decent ball being played at the Target center. It's been so long (and last year was so brutal), that I would take that easily over long range hopes.
BTW People always mention the Bulls rebuilding, which has been great, but shouldn't we compare ourselves to smaller markets trying to rebuild. Minneapolis isn't going to attract people in the same way... and, of course, we have no Jordan history.
Thanks for the interesting read Stephen. I agree that if the Wolves make any improvement next year it will more than likely come from the improved play and increased contribution of Foye than any other element. If for no other reason than, if he does make the Wolves better he makes all the other players better. Whether or not Foye develops into a competent point guard is still an unresolved question, but it is comforting to know he has the confidence needed to run the club.
Like always, I'm saving this for my bus ride, but it looks good upon quick first glance.
I noticed you talking about waiting to see what "other shoes drop." I agree. I did something similiar and mapped out 10 moves I would do tomorrow if I were GM of the Wolves. Here is a link to the article:
http://Twolvesblog.com (It's the top/newest article)
I will respond in detail to your article after I read it tonight. Thanks as always for the great coverage Britt.
Just thought I'd post this for anyone who hasn't read it yet. Some interesting thoughts from Foye on the upcoming season.
From HOOPSWORLD.com
In Vegas: Foye Chompin' at the Bit to Lead Wolves
By Travis Heath
Jul 11, 2007, 19:10
Many people had Randy Foye pegged as the favorite to win Rookie of The Year honors after his strong performance in Las Vegas last summer. However, when the Wolves' season tipped off Foye played very infrequently.
"I wanted to go right from the get go," Foye explained. "It was tough. They just signed Mike James so they had to see what he was made of. But once I got in there I just tried to play as hard as I could and show them I was a player."
Foye very much succeeded. By the end of the season his playing time had increased exponentially, and it was clear he was Minnesota's point guard of the future. If anyone had any doubt about such sentiment, it was erased earlier this summer when the Wolves traded incumbent starter Mike James to the Houston Rockets for Juwan Howard.
"Even though Mike was a good friend of mine, I guess we all knew that it was the right time," Foye said. "He wanted to move on, and I wanted to be a starter in this league."
With James gone, Foye is ready to take on more responsibility as a leader on the floor.
"As the point guard I'm always a leader because I'm controlling the tempo of the game. I feel as though I was a leader last year."
And there's no doubt the experience he gained on the floor as well as the lessons he learned from Kevin Garnett last season will help out in 2007-08.
"I just think my experience is one of the biggest things and transferring it from last year to now. And playing with a guy like Kevin Garnett helped me out a lot. I think one of biggest things (Garnett did) was talk to me and show me he has confidence in me. When you do that, it helps out a lot."
With Foye learning so much from Garnett, have the constant rumors of the Big Ticket's departure become a distraction?
"No, not really. It's a business like you said. We can't really pay attention to that. Obviously all of us on the team don't want it to happen, but we all know it's a business and it can happen to us, too."
The Wolves could no doubt use Garnett's services next season in a Northwest Division which already features playoff teams in Denver and Utah and will feature three of the NBA's top-five picks playing in Seattle and Portland. While that might sound imposing, Foye knows what it's like to be a rookie in the NBA and understands just how much work Greg Oden, Kevin Durant, and Jeff Green have in front of them.
"They're rookies," Foye asserted. "They're great rookies, but they're rookies. They still haven't played an NBA game, yet. They're going to have to get used to traveling, going on these road trips, and playing against guys like Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett. Kevin Durant has to learn how to go up against a guy like Ron Artest and other great defenders in our league. You can't really say it's a tough division yet and try to count us out because I feel we're one of the best teams in our division."
A bold statement from a player with a bold game. Now it's up to Foye and his teammates to go out and back it up next season.