If there is one team among the NBA's likely four semifinalists that is flying beneath the radar, it is the Cleveland Cavaliers. That the Cavs are unbeaten is six playoff games thus far is undercut by the reality that they have yet to face even a mediocre low-post presence among Washington and New Jersey.
Is Cleveland playing stellar defense or is the competition just that bad? Obviously both. Ever since Cavs coach Mike Brown inserted Aleksander Pavlovich into the starting lineup alongside Larry Hughes, the team is 28-7. Pavlovich, Hughes and LeBron James are all lanky and athletic, an ideal trio for perimeter rotations. Underneath, Cleveland has a bona fide 7-footer in Z Ilgauskas and a banger with a bit of a nasty streak in Drew Gooden. In other words, they sport the best blend of ingredients for disrupting opposing offenses. For the playoffs they are allowing just .421 FG% and less than 90 points per game.
But Washington without Arenas and Butler may have been the worst playoff team in a decade and for a playoff-tested, supposedly veteran team, New Jersey certainly is playing stupidly. Riddle me this: Why does the team with the most poised point guard in the East, Jason Kidd, decide twice in a row that the best way to beat the Cavs on the road in crunchtime is simply to dump the ball off to Vince Carter, one of the worst on-court "leaders" this side of Antoine Walker?
On the Nets website, the lead graphic is a picture of LeBron and Vinsanity in face to face profile like the classic boxing posters. Promoting this kind of idiotic comepetitive equivalence is why the Nets deserve to get swept this series. Everyone knew they'd be roasted on the boards, and they have been. But in the first two games, they've also been tied with less than 10 minutes to go in the game, only to decide that the way to counter Cleveland letting LeBron take over their offense is to let Carter hog the ball. Bad, bad idea. Pavlovic has done a nice job on Carter, who despite shooting 35 percent has more than twice as many shots, 49, in two games, than anyone on his team--and four more than LeBron! Meanwhile, a guy by the name of Richard Jefferson is canning 61 percent of his field goals and might be the beneficiary of some nifty Kidd dishes if someone, maybe clueless Nets coach Lawrence Frank, could pry the ball out of the hands of Carter, who just happens to be playing for a new contract.
As for the other NBA playoff series, my pick of the Bulls in 5 or 6, was, eh, just a little off thus far. Mucho credit to the Pistons, who have put together two displays of absolutely superlative team basketball. I forget exactly how good shooting guard Rip Hamilton is, specifically what a tough matchup he is, being 6-7, very quick, crafty at cutting around picks and with a deadly accurate, rapid-fire release. The key to the series in my estimation has been Scott Skiles barely bothering to watch Ben Gordon get embarrassed trying to guard Hamilton, throwing his best perimeter guy, Kirk Hinrich, on him instead. But this has backfired because Hamilton is too quick and crafty and, let's face it, mentally tough for even Hinrich to have had much effect on him thus far; meanwhile Chauncey Billups is treating Gordon as his little play-toy on their matchup. The blame falls on Gordon, who simply hasn't invested the time and energy commitment necessary to become a quality defender, a fact the Bulls have been able to camouflage until running into a team with three quality scorer-passers at the 1, 2 and 3. If I'm Skiles, I put Hinrich on Billups and try to nip Detroit's offense in the bud. If Gordon is getting abused early and not exerting payback at the other end with a barrage of buckets, I'd yank him and let Sefolosha get the burn.
I'd also start small with Nocioni at the 4 instead of PJ Brown, and when Flip Saunders subs in Jason Maxiell, match him up with PJ with the instructions to get very physical. That Maxiell has been able to physically intimidate the Bulls during his stints on the court has been the most disappointing aspect of this entire series. And yes, I know Nocioni has also been a pathetic bundle of nerves is games one and two, and am not entirely sure any of this will deter Detroit rolling in 4 or 5. It just would be less aggravating for Bulls gans if their team decided to show up for a change rather than continue patting themselves on the back for their Miami sweep.
I fully expected the Suns to win last night, and turned the set off a little after halftime. I'm not sure Kurt Thomas for Boris Diaw is the magic potion Phoenix needs to overcome their nemesis. If both teams play up to their capability, the Spurs win, simply because they match up so well with the Suns. Phoenix just has to hold up their end of the bargain--Nash and Barbosa are dervishes, Bell the irritant, Stoudamire the grease in the paint and Marion as superglue--and hope that Finley and Horry miss their baseline treys, Duncan gets in early foul trouble and keeps clanging his free throws, and, most of all, that Gregg Popovich keeps thinking Jacque Vaughn has any value whatsoever.
Speaking of backup point guards, Dee Brown's quality stint after Deron Williams picked up five fouls was the hands-down difference in Utah's clutch victory over Golden State the other night. I was very impressed with the various combination double and triple teams that Don Nelson came up with to defend Carlos Boozer in the paint--it helps explain Dirk Nowitzki's woes--but they still couldn't keep Boozer off the offensive glass. Mehmet is money on big shots, the Kirilenko-Harpring combo is a dream duo at the 3, and Deron Williams is ready to take his place among the top 3 point guards in the league. Judging from the way Golden State played, they will need all of that to overcome the Warriors, especially given the home court advantage in Oakland.
With all this going on, who has time for baseball? Still, there are two things related to America's erstwhile pasttime that deserve notice. One was Twins' GM Terry Ryan's statement in the paper today that landing or promoting another power hitter is not nearly as much of a priority for his homer-starved ballclub as ensuring outs with quality pitching and defense. The way you establish and maintain an identity for your franchise is by sticking to your philosophy under the most adversarial circumstances. Do the Twins have the absolute worst offense of any MLB club from the three positions played on the left of the diamond (3B, SS, LF)? Yup. Have they trotted out a batting order in May that lists 7 of the 9 players without a homer? Yup. Is Terry Ryan going to make major moves to address this situation? Nope. Not unless it will upgrade the defense and not hurt the pitching along the way.
Another Terry Ryan dictum is not to overpay, even for quality hurlers and fielders. Instead, he trusts his scouts to find gems in the rough, and his coaches to smooth them into value-added performers. The second-guessers and critics were all clearing their throats at the beginning of the season, eager to rip Ryan's decision to go with three question marks in the starting rotation--Ramon Ortiz, Carlos Silva, and Sydney Ponson. Well, let's see how that has turned out thus far. Ortiz is 3-2 with a 3.23 ERA in 39 innings pitched. Silva is 2-2 with a 2.75 ERA in 36 innings. Ponson is 2-4 with a dreadful 6.42 ERA in 33 and 2/3 innings. So far, Ryan is two out of three on his gambles, while Matt Garza and Kevin Slowey stay down in the minors not accumulating precious MLB service that would hasten their arbitration and free agency.
Now let's look at what three of the Twins American League rivals have paid for pitching. The Red Sox shelled out $51 million for the right to pay Dice Matsuzaka $6.3 million this year. His record thus far: 3-2 with a 5.40 ERA in 38 innings. The Blue Jays are paying AJ Burnett $13.2 million this year and thus far he is 2-3 with a 5.09 ERA. And the Yankees are paying Roger Clemens $45 million in the hopes that he'll be ready to throw a pitch that counts by June. Total cost of Ryan's investment this year in Ortiz, Silva, and Ponson? $8.4 million.
All that said, the team with the best record in all of baseball is currently toiling less than 400 miles away, in Milwaukee. Ever since the Brewers finally rid themselves of the toxic, excreble Selig clan, they have been shrewdly investing in their future and it is finally beginning to pay off. In Prince Fielder (1B), Rickie Weeks (2b) and JJ Hardy (SS), the club has burgeoning stars at 3/4 of their infield positions and none of them are older than 24. When healthy, Ben Sheets is a legitimate ace, but right now he'd have to be rated the 4th best starter in the rotation, behind last year's World Series star Jeff Suppan (5-2, 2.63), underrated, speed-switching lefty Chris Capuano (5-0, 2.31) and surprising fifth starter Claudio Vargas (3-0, 2.89). Throw in innings-eating ground ball pitcher David Bush (3-3, 5.73) and that's a formidable rotation. Suppan, while long in the tooth, seems to be improving with age at 32. Vargas is 29, Sheets and Capuano 28, and Bush 27. Finally, the bullpen has fallen together beautifully, with Matt Wise and former closer Derrek Turnbow quality setup men, Carlos Villenuva a very good middle man, and closer Francisco Cordero unscored upon until his last appearance. The only flaw is that all are righties--veteran Brian Shouse is the lone southpaw in the pen.
Craig Counsell and Tony Graffanino are a bad joke at third, the consequence of Corey Koskie's constant nausea and scary loss of equilibrium after a concussion. And the outfield isn't great, with the defensively challenged but power-hitting Bill Hall in center, and the very tall and promising Corey Hart and veteran Kevin Mench platooning with longtime Brewer and lefty-swinging Geoff Jenkins at the corner spots. (Although Tony Gwynn Jr. is destined to be more than just a good pinch-hitter by the end of the season.) Last but not least, the clutch-hitting Johnny Estrada was a masterful acquisition from Arizona as the everyday catcher. It's a young, exciting team currently boasting a 23-10 record in the eminently winnable NL Central. If you're interested in outdoor baseball, it's worth a day's drive to watch them.


Unfortunately, Randy Foye just isn't good enough to lead this team. Is he better than Wade, Deron WIlliams, or Chris Paul. Heck, is he even better than Raymond Felton or Monta Ellis? I really like Foye, but we need lottery luck if we expect to see anything better than a first round exit for a long time.
Go Pistons...
Go Ping Pong ball
Andy B.
I loved this!
"The only way for the oldtimers to continue to be on winning teams is to hand the reigns of leadership over to new and younger superstar talent on their respective teams."
The wolves and KG need to see this. Personally..I'm ready for the Randy Foye era full throtle.
Patrick,
I apologize if that came off snooty. Intonation doesn't carry over the net so well. My exclamations were to point out Ricky Daivs's ineptness . Makes me question why this guy is even worth what he is getting paid. Personally, I think Ricky Davis cheats the game, his team mates, opposing players, fans, and himself everytime he takes the court with his "could care less about ya'lls" attitude. He hasn't taken nearly the kind of heat Randy Moss did when he said he "plays when he wants to". Ricky never said it in so many words...but over the years he has clearly demonstrated just that.
I actually have a lot of respect for Hubbie (sp) Brown as an announcer. It wasn't just him though, saying Matt Barnes is going to get paid. I heard it from Stever Kerr and Charles B. The guy's value has gone way up over the playoffs. Perhaps it is the system, perhaps it is a fluke. But the fact the guy was playing his arse off full throttle is something the Wolves need to look at and replicate.
Honestly, it's game 3. Warriors are down 2-0 int he series. Do you honestly think Ricky Davis wouldn't have checked out by that point? Thrown some inner locker room fit? I think at 2-0 he would have been a merc. at 3-1 he wouldn't be giving any serious effort unless it meant "he" got to showcase something. He wouldn't have been playing hard defense by the mid series either I am willing to bet.
They are 2 very different players on the inside and out. I am talking about skill and heart. If you were to tell me mid season, that I could get rid of Ricky Davis for Matt Barnes but we'd have to pay Matt Barnes Ricky Davis money. For ME...I'm just saying I would do it in a heart beat.
I've said it all year. I wouldn't mind the losing if the effort was there. If there was any sort of heart, pride, hustle, I would have found it more entertaining than what we all witnessed.
Personally, I don't think Matt Barnes is going anywhere. I think Golden State will offer a nice contract to keep him there.
But the Wolves seriously need to find guys, who ---hey maybe they aren't the most talented, maybe they aren't the fastest. But they understand their roles. They understand the game and team dynamics. They give effort, listen to coaches and players. Play hard on both ends of the court and keep their personal lives at bay.
The Wolves have been horrible when they sign guys. They have signed way too many long term contracts to guys who really haven't warrented it. And I think sometimes, us fans tend to only see aquiring players at the rate of the contracts that have been given out by the Wolves. For instance, did we really need to give T-Hud all those years? Why woulnd't a 2 year with options for 3rd and 4th have worked? It's almost the same as incentive based. Marko Jarich 6 years? I think a 3-4 year. In fact the list goes on and on. So when I talk about getting guys in, I am not neccissarily saying sign them to big contracts like in days past. I think the Wolves need to be more conservative with the years they give on contracts and save the money for the ones who continue to pan out. So Barnes over here? Maybe...but I would do it short term.
If you all have been reading the pioneer (my freind tells me to read certain articles, because I usually don't like pipress) then perhaps you caught the most recent T-Wolves article where they are talking about how the team is making all these changes. Now adding input and full team meetings. Of course I'm skeptical that they can change the atmosphere long term. But it really does make you wonder what kind of guys they are lookng for. They promised changes. Big changes. But how? Just in management? Or the type of players we will try to aquire to put together a decent team.
When and if they start bringing in players. I hope they take a long look at the teams and players and coaches that are in the playoffs. If they want a blueprint, just take a look at some of the teams that go to the playoffs regularly. Look at Detroit (Joe D.) Look at the Spurs (greg P.) Look at the players that are playing with everything they have and leaving it out on the court(Matt B.)
Personally I think we have talent. We have at this moment, KG, Randy Foye, Trenton H., Craig S., and Shady. Most of us during last season qere screaming for some help inside. Heck we didn't need a superstar. We needed a guy to do some dirty work. To bang a bit. He didn't have to be the most talented. He just needed hustle and grit and a a bit of skill. And I think those are the kind of players if we spend money for, we should get. I'm sick of players like Ricky Davis, with a world of skill and a 2 cent brain. It's not worth it. That's not the game I want to watch. So it wouldn't bother me at all, to get guys in here who will accept a role. Play it with hard hustle, albeit a bit over paid.
I mean..an over paid slacker versus an over paid hard worker. Honestly... which would you rather have?
I have taken a haitus from NBA b-ball for the moment. The Wolves sucked too much out of me this year and the latest Strib article on the "restructuring" in the front office is supposed to accomplish exactly what?
As the Twins head to Milwaukee to take on the Brewers, I am left with little hope in Minnesota sports world. I have taken to reading enthusiastically the prospects of a Tubby signing for the 2008-09 season and I have started to scratch the Wolves itch with anticipation for the lottery. (Please, give us just one break, oh random Gods/lottery fixers or whomever you may be).
But, in regards to Carlos's speculation that Nash's retaliation will earn the Suns respectability in subsequent runs, I can't help but think that Nash might not have many more subsequent runs in him. I am not basing that on his play this year, but strictly his age. Look around at his peers. He was drafted with Marbury and Iverson and those two did not play four years in college. I can't help but think that Dirk will soon follow KG into the NBA world of lesser talents leading teams. Even Duncan might be leading the Spurs in the later episodes of Western conference dominance. The same could be said of Chauncey and Detroit. I just get the feeling that we are going into a new era led by Chicago, Orlando, Cleveland, Golden State, Toronto, Utah, and perhaps Portland headed by new young talent that will leave the Duncans, Dirks, KG's, Shaqs, Kidds, etc. behind. The only way for the oldtimers to continue to be on winning teams is to hand the reigns of leadership over to new and younger superstar talent on their respective teams.
Nash takes a beating and he's getting older. I just don't expect that he can continue to lead the Suns in the same way he has the past three seasons. But, then again, I didn't even think he could accomplish as much as he has up to now.
Patrick,
In a perfect world, Nash and his teammates should have maintained their composure and not done anything, but the world is far from perfect. This situation is similar to Zidane's infamous head-butt last year at the World Cup Finals in the respect that he'd taken enough abuse and decided not to put up with it anymore, for which he was heavily criticized by some but respected by many more. There are situation when you've had enough and you have got to stand up for yourself and your teammates. Nash has endured plenty of pain in this series from the shot to the nose to constantly getting harrassed by Bowen on the defensive end. You can't tell me that he should have just laid down like a puppy and taken that shit. Horry's was a cheap-shot that was meant to intimidate if not injure and although I don't think it was intentional (it was more of a frustrationn foul IMO) it was still cheap. Sometimes preserving your honor is more important than winning a ballgame. I think the Sun players gained more respect because of this than if they hadn't. It may cost them a championship this year (and the jury is still out on that- I for one am still confident they can beat the Spurs two straight), but eventually will toughen the team up for many more subsequent runs.
Jesse,
It sounds like I may have offended you, and I didn't mean to do that. But seriously, is Matt Barnes your cousin or something? I am just not seeing it. The guy plays hard, and has had some success playing in a helter skelter system that suits his low skill level. But I don't see him having a long and productive NBA career, and I think a lot of GMs would agree.
I am not faulting Steve Nash, but he is certainly more responsible than David Stern. Just trying to make a point. The Suns retaliation, however light, created the "incident" and forced the ruling about leaving the bench.
Patrick,
Barnes...Mad dog money? who's smoking what? Ok, when he signs his next contract..tell me if Mad dog money and Matt Barnes money are the same. Hey guess what? Matt Barnes had 2 double doubles in the playoffs alone.. how many double doubles did Ricky Davis have all year? Wanna know check this link...
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3264/gamelog;_ylt=AiJZ_TxfeWiq1JzmIm...
"oh but it's not about the numbers"
-Then why even keep ricky around...
It's freakin 2 for you illnumerate people. go to Matt Barnes's game log..count up the double doubles..WAIT!! Look where the dude was playing..IN THE SECOND ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS CONTRIBUTING.
Hey didn't golden state hand us our asses as we tried to beat them in the race to the playoffs?
Now, I know it's a stretch. I know it's seems pretty illogical to sign and trade for Matt Barnes. But I can say he is getting more than the lower level exception. I know he will be getting more than a mid level exception. So don't insult me, my intelligence or Matt Barnes skill by throwing Mad dog money in there. Yeah I understand you have to be cautious about a guy who bounces around the league and goes nuts. But didn't Chancy Billups do exactly that?
Also yeah, I wouldn't sign and trade for Barnes. I suppose I was going at length to show how desperate I am for this team to get people who actually give a RATS freaking ass about the game and team. And in all honesty, if you were one of the people bitching about Ricky and his performance this year..then really what can you say about getting rid of him. "oh but we're not just going to give him away". Right. Value wise is Ricky sky scrapers on top of Barnes? Yes. Is Ricky sky scrapers talent above Matt Barnes. Yes. But is Ricky half the player Matt Barnes is inside? In heart and character? No.
I can't just sit here and complain about our team's attitude and then see guys in the playoffs giving it thier all and not wish I had some of that on our team. Would I be McHale to give these guys way more than they are worth? Yes. But who wouldn't it gratify to see guys albeit losing..but trying hard as hell? And who wouldn't it satisfy, to see Ricky gone?
Lastly, Patrick..fault Steve Nash for going after Horry? Blame the victim more? ANd take responability out of the other players hands?
No..sorry..Amare and Boris both made conscious choices to get up.. Nash didn't make them do what they did. Whether or not I agree with the punishment. I'm not blaming Steve nash for being upset someone checked him off the court. ANd I'm not blaming Steve Nash for AMare and Boris's decisions.
Can anyone explain why the Suns were running the pick and roll nearly every play in the second half with Thomas instead of Marion? I guess Marion's three point shot can spread the floor but what are the chances Thomas would be able to get him the ball? I just didn't understand why you would isolate Nash and Thomas instead of Nash and Marion, regardless of who the defender was. The Suns really shoulda won that one.
College Wolf:
Yep, that was me. I go by A.K. in Hopkins on air (Agikamik is a mouthfull - tough for those call screener lackeys to handle). I call in to various shows pretty regularly as time permits and as my interest is piqued.
Lately its been Common, Chad and Doogie and Barreiro. I used to do Wolves After Dark too. Its a fun diversion.
Looking forward to tonight's contests. Hey, Britt: TIME FOR A NEW WRITE UP!!!
Jesse,
Matt Barnes for Ricky Davis?!?! What are you smoking, and can I buy some?
Barnes is a good scrapper playing for a contract, not a guy you want to pay 8million a year to. Think Mad Dog money, at best.
Everyone is crying foul at Stern for the suspension, and I agree- it sucks. But, everybody knew there was a good chance it would happen. The Suns were even making their defense case as soon as it happened. Nobody should be surprised, and you can't fault the league for enforcing the rule.
Honestly, if you want to hand out blame, fault Steve Nash. If he hadn't gone after Horry, it wouldn't have been deemed an altercation.
There is NO conspiracy theory.
Hello everyone!
Anyone think if the Warriors had a mobile big they would have taken the Jazz? Say a Samuel Dalembert? Hell, Mark Blount might have made the difference in that one. Just look at the rebounding. Even Sloan acredited it to rebounding.
Matt Barnes is prolly gonna go with the money. Doesn't a sign and trade with Ricky D. kinda sound intresting? Not saying Barnes would work in whatever system the Wolves try to display, but it'd be nice to have a guy who A. Doesn't quit, B. Has heart, C. Hustles, D. Believes in Team play, E. Doesn't care about stats, F. Isn't a Ball hog. And the list goes on and on...
Nate, I have long since been a believer in the NBA draft being rigged. And I'm not the only one out there. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but c'mon... Duncan to the Spurs---Think the spurs made the playoffs or just missed that year. Wizards and the year Jordan come together? How about the Magic? Anyway... you never know. Let's hope you're right Nate! I am!
I still think Detroit takes the Series. And will be in the Confernce Finals. It'd be kinda cool if the Jazz win it all, but still I hope Detroit does.
I've been reading more about this whole altercation affair and from a purely basketball point of view, it does seem like the Suns are in a huge disadvantage for Game 5 They've just lost 25% of their offensive production and since Diaw backs up Stoudamire, they have to basically retool on the spot with Kurt Thomas getting more minutes and expected to produce on both ends of the floor. James Jones is also expected to play a greater role and Jalen Rose is a veteran player. The Spurs lose Horry for two games, and you can't overlook that "Big Shot Bob" has been hugely influential over the years wth his timely shooting, but overall San Antonio is being considered the favorite to win the next game.
Has everyone else written off Phoenix for this game ? I think if Nash and Barbosa play lights-out (Nash limits his turnovers to less than 5; Barbosa is more aggresive) and some of the other Suns players like Marion and the aforementioned reserves step up, Phoenix still has a chance. The Suns made the Conference Finals last year w/o Stoudamire with Diaw filling in. Now that Diaw is out also, other Sun players need to play Game 5 with the urgency of a Game 7. The NBA did what it could to give the Spurs an unfair advantage IMHO but I'm still confident the Suns can ruin Stern's plans.
"London will host a preseason exhibition game between the Boston Celtics and Minnesota Timberwolves on October 10 as part of NBA Europe Live presented by EA Sports. Tickets for the game, which will be held at the O2 arena -- Londons new state of the art NBA-style arena, are almost completely sold out."
This was in the news today. Let's hope the NBA rigs the draft and wants to show off Durant and Oden in Europe.
The suspensions of Diaw and Stoudemire put the Suns at a huge disadvantage. But, on any given night, anything is possible. The Wolves could beat the Spurs on any given night. Still, the suspensions really suck for the integrity of the playoffs.
The "leave the bench" rule is clearly not applied impartially and without reference to the context of the game (as the NBA claims). Duncan left the bench earlier in the series, but the the on-court event was not defined as "an altercation" so he was not suspended. Bullsh!!.
What a way to screw up the playoffs.
With regard to "Oh, how I wish the Wolves had Derek Fisher"
Also, I know Derek Fisher's contract is awful, but so is Thud's and so is Mike James. I would gladly trade Mike James for Fisher (probably wouldn't work with the cap rules). Fisher is a winner (who cares if he's old). The wolves are going to have to take on bad contracts. They just have to take on the bad contracts of better players (or even worse players who have the right attitude and will compete on a nightly basis).
The NY Times reports today that Popovich said that the flagrant foul that Horry committed on Nash was "just an end of game foul" and that Nash "fell down" . He goes on to say that "I didn't think it was a big deal".
This total blahering of stupidity by Popovich rells me that the heat of the action has also affected his otherwise pretty cool demeanor. Horry's foul was as flagrant as I've seen in the NBA. When you realy think about it, it could have resulted in a series ending injury for Nash. Now that the foul has in its wake caused the suspension of Phoenix's Stoudamire, who along with Nash played a pretty pivotal role in the Suns Game 4 victory, this foul is more than a big deal. It now had the potential to swing the series in San Antonio's favor.
But Popovich's comments may have swung the pendulum back the other way. There's a real possibility that the Suns out all fired up in Game 5 and win w/o Stoudamire and Diaw and then return to San Antonio and close out the Series.
Hey A.K. -
Did you just call into Barreiro's show at like 6:30 tonight?? If so, I heard ya :P
If it wasn't you, pretend like I'm not a freaky stalker.
If it was again you, I totally agreed with your point regarding Chauncy Billups and what he said about the foul call.
That's all I've got. Looking forward to the games tonight. I'm thinking Jazz and Pistons finish these both up. Lastly, Amare, Diaw and Horry all suspended:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2007/news/story?id=2871615
I agree Steve Kerr is pretty decent, however he made one comment last night that bugged the Sh$t out of me. Something along the lines of "who in this league can guard Tim Duncan". Hello!! What about KG? and Rasheed Wallace for that matter.
One weeks worth of games against the Suns porous interior D and the press is anointing Timmy as one of the NBA's all time greatest?!?!
1) What short memories everyone has. How many years has KG been outplaying TD in head to heads (and full season stats)?
2) How overrated is Amare Stoudamire? First team All NBA, and he can't even stay on the floor against another good big guy.
3) Suns run and gun style continues to boost everyones' offensive numbers and abilities in the eyes of the media.
This was printed yesterday, before Phoenix's stunning victory over San Antonio.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/blog/index?name=simmons
Not so sure it's really valid anymore. Steve Kerr talked about how teams that want to make the leap from pretenders to contenders need to go through "learning moments' and Phoenix did just that last night. I was about to turn the game off but decided against it thinking the Suns may be able to pull it off. Man was I glad I did. I think Popovich made a huge mistake not sticking with Duncan when he had five fouls at around the 5 minute mark.
More on Kerr. I find him to be a decent commentator not as insightful and/or experienced as Collins but infinitely better than you know who.
I believe Fisher signed basically the same deal as Thud during the same offseason, just to put his deal in perspective.
8 Days until the draft lotto. Once the order is set, we should begin to gain some clarity on offseason moves.
Maybe Fisher would have been a decent pickup a few years back, but I wouldn't want him now. I wouldn't want anywhere near him now as a short, 32 yr old, 6 Million per year+ guard. Plus, his contract runs through 09-10. Maybe if we had gotten him during the WCF run or shortly after, then yes.
Poor GS last night. I was pulling for them. But there is no way they can win when they get outrebouned by 20 (consistently) and are only hitting around 30% of their threes. The law of averages was going to come back to bite them at some point. I concede that there is no way they could keep hitting threes like they did in the first round, but it would have been cool to see them keep at it. I'm kinda disappointed they are down 3-1, but it's not a good matchup for them and Utah is very fundamentally sound.
SA or Phoenix should have a cakewalk to the Finals...
Too bad the Wolves don't have Derek Fisher. Not a perfect player, but he sure would have been worth a mid-level exemption at some point. [of course, maybe golden state signed him for over the exemption.] But still, he's clearly the type of veteran player the Wolves need.
Snyder-
I think Chad Ford is screwing with us. Just about everyone has the third pick as Brandon Wright, who would have been the no brainer first pick last year. After that comes Horford, and we're left with Noah, Yi, Conley, and the swing man Julian Wright or Corey Brewer. All very good players at 7 compared to an ordinary draft, but there is a big step down from 2 to three, another big one to 4, and by #5, we're looking at people who may or may not be NBA players.
Oh yeah,
go pistons
I've seen on ESPN's lottery machine that there are scenarios where the Wolves could end up with Al Horford even if they pick 7th. Dare I get my hopes up or is Chad Ford just screwing with us?
As far as the Twins, if anyone has a contact with whoever plans the team's meal menus, please share this to try and help with the team's brain cramp affliction - http://www.fi.edu/brain/diet.htm
And finally, can I get a DEEETROIT BASKETBAAALLL? :-)
can I get a DEEETROIT BASKETBAAALLL!!! :-)
Well, in all honesty I do like our line up. But I also think there is room for another bat. But I also think this line up and players have the potential to be very dangerous. We've seen it. So, I'm not pressing the panic button or anything. I say sign Santana. He has won 2 Cy Young awards and udually gives his team a chance to win everytime out on the mound.
I was not happy about the missed free throws at the end of the game. Didn't Biedres do better than that? Anyway, I still think Golden State may take the series. My theory is that when was the last time you saw Utah have 2 consecutive games against a team with scores in the 100's running and gunning? I think they will get a bit tired. GS in 7!
I guess AK 47 isn't going anywhere. That kinda sucks. I wish he was still playing poorly. Bah----
Hey we're all in May and the Lottery is May 22nd!!! Oden! Oden! Oden! please!!!!!
The Yanks and Sox are in their own world payroll wise, and I agree it devalues what they can accomplish. But the reailty is that for other teams to beat them they have to pick and chose when they go for it with a big trade or signing that may be able to get them a ring.
Look at Detroit.
They knew this could be their year to win it all so they traded a couple pitching prospects for Gary Sheffield. Why can't the Tinkies make a move like that? I'd love to see Santana resign here but does anyone think the Twins are going to pay him over 20 million a year to pitch? That means we've got this year and next and I hope Ryan takes the best shot he can.
If we could sign our players to long contracts, and assuming our developing center fielder pans out, we could have a solid team (like seattle if they had kept A-rod, Griffey, & Big Unit) for years and years. It would feel alot better to be plugging in players just on the left side of the diamond rather than position players 1-8.
Sadly, it makes no sense, economically, for players to stay here. Even if Ryan ponies up, he'll still be millions short of the big boys.
So many things to talk about, my head is going to explode!
Terry Ryan. Great guy, does a nice job. What I see right now in Terry Ryan and the Twins is a poker table with five guys playing - the GMs from each AL Central team. Everybody feeds off KC. Three guys have big stacks in front of them and an appetite to risk assets to get better - Sox, Tigers and Indians. Ryan sits at the table with a smaller stack and his best assets sitting in his pocket. He sleeps better at night with those chips (pitching prospects) comfortably tucked away. But he can't win the table without pulling them out either as trade bait or to replace the Ponson mistake. Time to play like you mean it, Terry!
Right on, Britt - Derek Fisher was a gentleman and a scholar last night, not to mention a key piece to the puzzle following the Dee Brown injury. Fun game and I am fine with one a night starting at 8 pm. It sure makes it easier to get out of bed in the morning.
In the mixing basketball with baseball department how about this? As a Wolves season ticket holder I was invited on an expense-paid trip next weekend to Milwaukee to see the Twins and Brewers play! Charter bus, nice hotel and the game in a fancy suite all on the Wolves. I'm looking forward to seeing the Brewers, the new park and the Twins play outside!
Flip's second season in Detroit is going pretty well. Gotta give him plenty of credit for the Pistons' performance thus far. My money is on a Detroit - San Antonio final.
Britt,
I'll give you that the '04 Nets were the worst team to get to the Finals in recent memory, but they were much better than the current Nets or Cavs. Remember, they had KMart when he was good, a younger Kidd, Kittles, more depth and balance, and a better coach.
Mike,
If there is a year for Ryan to make a BOLD MOVE it's next year. 2008 will see the return of Liriano, and Santana's contract year (unless we sign him), as well as the maturity/prime playing years of Mauer and Morneau. Adding a monster signing next year makes more sense - particularly if you're building a team to win enough in the regular season to make the playoffs and also to win a short series.
Just a thought.
McCleak - Nice work. Thanks for the link.
Babcock is so full of BS it's not even funny lol. (Ok maybe it is I just laughed out loud.)
Was gonna say the same thing, Britt. Dick Stockton is slower than the any casual hoops fan....literally waiting for someone to tell him what the call is, unable to keep up with the action and infer the call on his own. When TV viewers are more on top of the action than the play-by-play guy.....AHHHHHH!!!
A turnover and 3 missed free throws in the final minute? Tisk, tisk, Golden State. You blew it.
FYI--
The "Bouncing Around" posts during the Wolves off-season are meant to start conversations about a variety of topics, so don't worry about disrupting the flow by "changing the subject." I'm confident that folks who come to this site can handle more than one subject at a time.
The GSW-Utah series would have been a classic if Pietrus and Baron had done better than 1-4 FT in the final seconds of regulation. The odds of that now diminish with Utah's 2-0 lead. I don't know about worst commentator ever, but Reggie Miller is an annoying parrot of what we are looking at, with very little useful insight thrown in. And Dick Stockton, whose job it is to sense and infer the nuances of momentum, blown calls, and other assorted drama, seemless literally clueless, or more accurately too slow on the uptake, about the tenor of what is taking place on the court. The only thing worse than this crew would be Bill Walton incessantly talking out of both sides of his mouth. Did anyone else think Miller totally blew it when he agreed with Steve Javie's call that fouled out Kirilenko in overtime? Stephen Jackson slid out his non-pivot foot until it rammed into AK's leg, then he went down in a heap and Kirilenko gets whistled. Miller then says, "If you're going to make that call in the first quarter, you have to make it in overtime." You don't make that call in any quarter, at any time.
Department of Bad Timing: Dice-K spun a beaut last night, yielding 1 run and ringing up 8 K's in 7 innings. Meanwhile, Ortiz got tasered for 4 runs in the first inning.
Patrick--I don't know about your "worst team to reach the conference finals" comment. Remember the New Jersey team the Spurs beat for one of the rings in the NBA Finals? Aside from Kidd being in his prime, that was a pretty bad squad. But on the Babcock list, yeah, the first thing I thought of was how closely it matched up with RD.
Mike--When you're a franchise exec, money makes you lazy. I am so much more interested in what Milwaukee and Arizona are currently doing than that incredibly overhyped Boston-Yankees thing. A team that can underachieve on its gross talent and still make it to the postseason simply isn't that compelling. Maybe it's just a reflection of my basketball versus baseball fandom, but I have as much fun watching a June baseball game between two young, quickening clubs as I do if two clubs with nine-figure team payrolls make it to October.
One of my pet peeves is how the sports machinery always overmilks poignant human interest stories. When Stockton started blathering on about Derek Fisher last night, I steeled myself for the jack-hammering of the easy angle. But then Fisher himself did that beautifully eloquent post-game interview with Pam Oliver and showed everybody how to act: Honest, understated, graceful and humble in trying times. I thank him for that.
I'm in the weeds writing other stuff all day. As the Mike Myers character from SNL would put it, "Talk amongst yourselves."
College Wolf -
Oops. Completely skipped my mind.
http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/news/nba_draft_2007_evaluating_draft_pro...
Sound like Babcock had Ricky in mind when he came up with that list.
GS-Utah games have been entertaining. I was grateful for the early start last night.
I think it is worth noting that Utah keeps winning despite generally sloppy play. While the Warriors may take one (or even two) at home, I don't see any scenario where they win this series.
The Cavs-Nets series is a testament to the imbalance between conferences. Whoever wins that series will be the worst team to make it to a conference finals in years.
Haha did you make that up McCleak? Otherwise, a source would be handy.
But I do agree, pretty much all of those were problems that plauged the Wolves at one point or another last year.
Not to take away from the baseball discussion, but I ran across a writeup from Rob Babcock on what he looks for in potential players. Here are the ten things that turn him off:
1) A player that won't pass the ball ahead to an open teammate.
2) A player who constantly complains to the refs (and is slow getting back because of it)
3) A player who blames a bad play on his teammate.
4) A player who plays for his own stats.
5) A player who is fast down the court on offense, but slow down the court on defense.
6) A player who doesn't pay attention during timeouts.
7) A player who comes out of a game with a bad attitude.
8) A player who won't go to the floor for a loose ball.
9) A player who won't take a charge
10) A player who calls "And One" whe he thinks he is fouled (even if the ball does not go in). The shot has to go in if there is going to be a "And One".
Hoe many of these were problems for the Wolves last year?
Nice call about hitting in the pre-season, Britt. It looks exactly like our current situation. Those who compare the record of this season next to last year forget how incredibly unlikely it is for us to have a repeat surge post all star break. The hitting is a major problem, and all we really have to hope on is Mauer coming back, Morneau playing like an MVP again and also Rondell White, who played great during the last couple months, returning to September form.
It's hard for me to think the Cavs are as good as they seem, but I could be wrong. Besides LeBron, they have a whole team to work with, but I keep looking at their competition and it almost seems like the parting of the red sea to get them to the promised land. If the pistons' heads get puffy over they could do a dallas and suddenly bring the Cavs to the forefront.
I'm hoping Ryan does something incredibly bold and sign Santana. If they can save $ and do that, it's a much higher priority than taking a chance on whatever flawed hitters are available.
No disrespect to the main man Terry Ryan, but how about that playoff game tonight? All I can say is WOW. That GS-Utah series is shaping up to be far more entertaining than I ever thought possible. (Unfortunately GS keeps losing.)
The game was simply incredible all the way until the overtime, which was pretty anti-climatic. As much as GS was a bad matchup for Dallas, Utah is the same bad matchup for GS. They can't stop Boozer or Millsap inside to save their lives. Deron Williams is too strong and AK-47 magically got his confidence back. I think Utah will win one of the 2 in GS and then wrap it up back home.
How about GS taking the game to overtime despite the fact that they got out rebounded by freakin 28! (60-32) Unbelievable. The only reason they were still in it was because they had 11 less turnovers (12 to 23) and were able to hit threes at a 37% clip. They shot 40. Lol... wow.
P.S. I think we need to continue the discussion here about how Reggie Miller is bar none the absolute WORST commentator I have ever heard. Ever. He makes me want to destroy my tv simply from listening to him talk. Nothing he says makes sense, he provides no insight into the plays as they are unfolding, his cliches are retarded and he messes them up to boot, and on top of all that - he is so inarticulate it's hard to understand what the hell he is saying. Who thought it would be a good idea to hire him? It blows my mind.
Britt,
I'm not ripping on Ryan here. Of course he deserves massive respect for his performance. He's made some of the most one-sided trades in any sport over the past decade. My point is that this year could be a special year for the Twins. It's been obvious for years that the club needs one more big bat in the lineup to become a truly elite team.
We all know the budget constraints he's under, but in major league baseball sometimes you have to overpay for short term gain - either via a mid-season trade or a big free agent contract.
If Ryan wants the Twins to go all the way, at some point he's going to have to go for it and trade prospects for a big hitter or convince Pohlad to let him throw some money at a free agent bat.
You can rip on the Red Sox and Yankees for wasting money, but in the end we all know who is more likely to be playing in October. That's not all Ryan's fault, but sometimes you gotta do more to compensate than stick to a plan of developing young pitchers and squeezing value out of position players who obviously have little left.
I read the Ryan interview and I agree with his point that it's been defense and mental mistakes (baserunning, bad fielding by pitchers) that have been a bigger problem than a lack of power.
Look at the teams in the AL with the most home runs:
1(tie). Tampa Bay
1(tie). Texas
3. Cleveland
4 (tie). Toronto
4 (tie). Yankees
All of them except Cleveland actually have worse records than the Twins, though the Yankees appear to be turning things around a little bit.
I think the lack of clutch hitting has been a bigger problem with the Twins offense so far has been the lack of power.
I don't know if players are pressing or what, but I'm not sure it's something that can be fixed easily with a trade, though I wouldn't mind seeing a pitching prospect like Baker being dealt for someone resembling a respectable DH. There's gotta be some team out there that needs pitching and has an extra bat they could part with.
For more than a few years, Terry Ryan was stuck between Tom Kelly and Carl Pohlad in the management hierarchy. If you know anything about those two individuals you will know that Ryan has earned every ounce of positive karma current circumstances have brought his way.
As for bold moves, Mike, you conveniently ignore the substance of my post. The signings of Dice K, Clemens and AJ Burnett were all surely regarded as bold moves. Yes, I imagine that statistics will change and at the very least even out over the course of the season. But right now Terry Ryan's $7.4 million investment in Ortiz and Silva is yielding much better pitching than the collective $120 million spent on the aforementioned trio for 2007. And we're not even talking about tens of millions down a rathole for Carl Pavano, or, if you want to talk about position players, the comparables for Cuddyer and JD Drew or Bartlett and Julio Lugo in terms of bang for the buck.
Not bold, perhaps, but thus far more "valuable", in the literal sense of the word.
Ryan is in one helluva enviable position because when the club is successful he's regarded as a God and if the team tanks it's not his fault because it's a small market club.
Frankly, I think the Twins get too much slack because everyone thinks of them as the cute little pirahnas. Ryan can stick with his plan - even if it fails - becase the Twins are regarded as a budget-minded franchise. Ryan wins either way because of his past successes.
I think it's time for Ryan to make a bold move. We aren't going to have Santanna forever and the Twins should be looking to win big right now. He should take some heat if he doesn't make any changes this year.
Jesse,
My point about Ryan is that, whether you or I agree with him or not, he's got his priorities and doesn't deviate from them. The results have been very successful thus far. On a personal note, I've got to say that I've interviewed Ryan about 8-10 times in my life, substantial, 15-60 minute, one-on-one interviews, and I have as much respect for his integrity as anyone in sports.
All that said, no, you are not being too hard on Ponson by any means. He is one of Ryan's mistakes.
Thanks Britt, for reminding me what teams the Cavs were playing. I too believed the Cavs stood a good shot at seeing Detroit again but I'm not sure the result will be any different. Though if Cavs do infact sweep or take 4-1 4-2, we'll get to find out next round. The Bulls ,if they come back and win will be able to show a few big bangers to the Cavs as well.
I was really excited about the Golden State and Jazz series. For me it's been as good as I thought it would be. I don't like Stephen Jackson one bit and it kills me to enjoy watching him play basketball. I mean, man can that guy play basketball...but what jerk sauce..
I liked the Spurs vs Suns first game. But I didn't get to see the second game. Now that both teams have lost a game. The series is shorter. I think game 3 and on are gonna be pretty intresting and entertaining to watch.
As for the Twins Britt I wasn't sure if you thought the Twins would go out and get some power or not. Personally, I hope he isn't betting the farm that White will come back and provide us the Power. Nor was I happy about Cerillo. But I wouldn't mind seeing another big bat. I hope this team gets healthy soon. I really haven't been impressed with Ponson. I went to the game against the Yankees for his first start. I was in the cheap seats and could see how bad he was pitching. Not sure he's worth keeping in the starting rotation. Am I being too hard on him?